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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Only for terrible AAA games. Actual fun games I am fine.

[–] Elting@piefed.social 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Gamers who speedrun NES games briefly poke their head out of the cave, see that life is more than shadows on a cave wall, reject that reality and return to the task at hand.

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[–] ajikeshi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (9 children)

yeah.. just dont buy unreal engine 5 games and you are fine

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have never hated an engine before UE5. But god it is just a steaming pile of unoptimized, bloated dogshit.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

The engine isn't bad itself. The problem is it has some really cool tools that are expensive to run, but developers just turn them all on instead of optimizing. See: ARC Raiders for how it should be done. It's UE5, but they aren't using Nanite or Lumen. UE5 can run very well. Game developers thinking the only thing that matters is having the most photorealistic games is what's causes the issue.

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

These features are enabled by default in UE5, devs aren't going out of their way to enable them. Epic lies about them being beneficial to performance, which is only true if your assets are shit. Nanite is especially bad because Unreal Engine doesn't have a different approach for automatic LODs; you either need to do it all yourself or use nanite.

Not to say that devs aren't to blame - they should know better - but they are just following Epic's recommendations and defaults.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Time to catch up on some older games you missed. More fun for less money.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

And indies. Many indie devs do bother with optimization instead of telling people to buy more RAM.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

!retrogaming@lemmy.world

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Retroarch is love. Retroarch is life.

[–] grinning_serpent@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Most of the actually good games don't need strong hardware.

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[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

"Good" news is that AI companies killed the gaming upgrade market, so studios will need to target the same hardware for a while. We might even see the come back of the smart tricks to go beyond the hardware limits era.

[–] UnarmedBlackMan@thelemmy.club 8 points 2 months ago (8 children)

They're prob going to try to push cloud hardware for everything. GeForce now, Windows 12? Online subscription!

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that internet infrastructure in the US* is horrible and a lot of people outside of major urban areas have shitternet that makes streaming games laggy and unreliable. Unless they spend serious money upgrading infrastructure, it's just going to be Stadia 2.0. Except even then people still really do not like gaming as a service so it'll probably fail again anyway.

*I don't know how good other countries' internet is but I would include them if I did.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My internet is fine, good bandwith, good latency. But even then cloud gaming introduces delays i am a) not accostumed to and b) not tolerant of.

I do not want to have 100ms delay between my action and seeing the reaction. I do not want to be dependent on perfect connectivity to achieve even this delay, making every small issue which would only annoy me while browsing make my gaming hell. Even Bluetooth for my controller is too much delay for me when playing stuff like Dead Cells - it's either a dedicated receiver or cable-bound. Everyone who actually wants to play something fast paced can't be happy with cloud gaming. Well, the turn based strategy crowd might be tolerant of that, but i will never be until my body is too broken to play anything faster than solitaire.

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[–] GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Don't worry, maybe china will flood the market with cheap ram soon or something.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

linux is good but it’s not magic either… it’ll help a 50-55 fps game run at 60 fps, but the game that crawls on windows won’t fare that much better on linux unfortunately

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It depends. On linux i have 10+ year old laptop pc running indi games while playing youtube videos on a second window, all while keeping the temps below 70°. The same pc fans scream murder by simply open a browser in Win 10.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

By the end of this summer, it'll be a full year on Linux for me. It's giving my old hardware some more life, and I have no reason to go back.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls.

An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.

kmarx wagelabor and capital

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I remember thinking that the 3090 is ridiculously expensive. Today, a 5080 bought for almost as much seems reasonable.

We are being conditioned.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Upgrade to Linux to extend the life another ten years.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Don't worry, gpus don't have much growth anymore anyway, next generation of cards will be incremental. The green company has not been able to truely innovate since the 1080ti so anything you get now will be relevant for a very very very long time. Hence why they've had to change to enterprise customers to keep line going up with empty over hyped promises in ai. It will come to an end when shareholders demand returns on investment. Pop.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Ok, I'm not a gamer, and I have a real honest question: we had fun with gamesetsin the 90's. We had LAN games in the 2000's, and over Internet quickly after. People were spending hours, days playing. Each new GPU was so much better, sharper pictures, "so realistic", etc.

Are you genuinely having more fun now than with good games from 10years ago? Even 15years ago??

Because it looks like this whole requirements thing is pure marketing, and studios needing to keep selling: "Look, shinier graphics that will make the previous generation of games you loved and found incredibly sharp and detailed when theé came out look mild and of bad quality now!"

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe that's the silver lining. If AI companies are the main customers of GPUs, not us, then they won't need to keep up-selling us every year with nonsense.

Back in the 90s, most people didn't have PCs because they were PC gamers. They just played games on their normal PC, and game devs tried to make games that would run on anything. If the average person has old hardware, then game devs will be incentivized to build to that.

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because it looks like this whole requirements thing is pure marketing, and studios needing to keep selling: “Look, shinier graphics that will make the previous generation of games you loved and found incredibly sharp and detailed when theé came out look mild and of bad quality now!”

This is exactly what's happening. Its been going on for a long time, and is in some ways holding back the industry from progressing in other areas, such as new and innovative forms of actually interacting with game worlds and their narratives.

I'd personally say once 3D graphics were able to represent things without it looking abstract from too few polygons (say, around 2006 or so?), the medium could've slowed down the pace of graphical advancements significantly, and the industry would've benefited enormously.

Modern indie games that do not have AAA budgets for graphics instead have focused on unique and attractive art-styles, sometimes with retro aesthetics, and are generally able to create far more compelling experiences due to the lack of emphasis on graphics.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Graphics, I think the most fun I had was PS one, SNES and NES era with a little in PS2 era and the last of it was the Batman arkham games. Not much has sparked true joy since.

The developers are noticing and indie is going retro. Free and paid games are adopting the simpler 3D models and 2D sprites, imposing artificial limitations to have to deal with, intentionally creating developmental challenges that will manifest as stylistic choices later.

It is working.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago

Are you genuinely having more fun now than with good games from 10years ago? Even 15years ago??

On the contrary, I'm still playing those games sometimes. At the moment it's Need for Speed: Most Wanted from 2005.

And recently indie games are growing in popularity, those are often quite simple visually, or go for a retro style. Megabonk for example, or Mewgenics or Slay the Spire 2.

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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not if you picked the right platform. AM4 serves me well since 2017, all the way from ryzen 1700 and 16gigs of ram to 5700X3D and 32Gigs now. Same motherboard - and I expect it to serve me for another 5 years

[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That'll save money but I don't think it nullifies parts being expensive. My GPU is now legacy (1050Ti) because I didn't upgrade it when I did my 2019 AM4 build (sale prices were great). Ryzen seems like it's more expensive now due to its success.

With how prices are I'll probably keep using these parts until I stop using a computer.

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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Write a better story or create better game play and all of a sudden, the hardware doesn't mean as much. But that's so much harder to do. So poor stories and difficult game play it is!

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Why is the implication here that difficult gameplay can't be good? Hard disagree

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[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

As a kid I used to basically only play emulator games because I didn't have money for a real gpu. As an adult I basically only play indie games cause AAA games are all soulless trash.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How can AAA games all be soulless if they’re all Soulslikes?

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[–] seggturkasz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I don't get it, I've been playing minecraft and rimworld for about 10 years now. The minimum requirements haven't changed really...

[–] Nils@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

This Steam Next Fest killed Unreal Engine for me.

Every single game with that splash screen ended up as a slide show, and not even prettier, I play 15 years old games that look better than most games I saw coming from UE5.

I used to recommend Unreal 4 for everyone, but they are already going for 6 without optimizing the 5.

No need to upgrade, just give a chance to other games, devs and engines that cares for their customers.

I got into Cassette Beasts a while ago and notice all Godot games run well on Steam Deck and my older hardware. Cry Engine looks beautiful and still run well on stuff.

[–] tio_bira@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Kingdom Come Deliverance II was made on Cry Engine, day one it run pretty good on my setup (Ryzen 7 5700 X + RTX 2060 at the time, i got more or less 45 - 60 FPS on medium high settings, didn't remember if i disabled upscaling).

Meanwhile The Outer Worlds 2 with way less realistic and impressive graphics was a messy pixelated slideshow once i finished the tutorial, i was running on everything on minimum.

Cry Engine and REngine are a memento from a time where videogame companies used to squish every bit for performance and make games look and feel fantastic even in weak hardware

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I used to recommend Unreal 4 for everyone, but they are already going for 6 without optimizing the 5.

Real time global illumination (Lumen) and runtime LOD generation (Nanite) can't be made much faster; it's not really about optimization, it's that these features are fundamentally slow. The problem is that Epic spent a shit-ton of R&D developing these, and they do save developers some time - at the expense of disk space and performance.

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[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

I just updated my phone for the last time

[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago

I'll be DEAD and BURIED before I play PC games that require a 1000W PSU-powered graphics card.

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