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[–] Nautalax@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Land that has no buildings on it is not necessarily in a natural state… there are grades to “undeveloped land” with some having much more ecological value than others. If I look at the side of the road by the local interstate yes there is technically a “forest” but it’s mostly like loblolly pine plantation with the trees densely packed to each other to maximize the amount that can be cut and invasive privet growing in what little space remains between them. All those leaves trunks and stems in close proximity choke out the sun reaching the ground (preventing forbs, legumes and grasses that need that sun from growing and making food for the rest of the foodchain) and puts impassable woody thickets between the pine trunks that block most anything from moving though the area unless they can fly or climb above it.

Looks wild enough to the uninformed but ecologically useless to the majority of animals adapted to what was once open and parklike easily navigable longleaf pine savanna with insanely diverse groundcover supporting many animal diets and providing shelter.

[–] countrypunk@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago

You from the South? That's what I see a lot lol

[–] seaplant@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 hours ago

The same people talk about whole countries as "developing"

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

There's a lot of developed forests.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 36 points 12 hours ago

Can’t have vaccines, or trans people, because it’s not natural. But we can pave over wetlands and strip mine mountains

[–] Dryad@lemmy.world 76 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Undeveloped = not yet pillaged and exploited for profit.

Came here to say that. It's worthless until it's cut down, dug up, or siphoned up and sold for profit.

That's capitalism.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 21 points 11 hours ago

To the Capitalist, a forest only has value after it has been destroyed.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 30 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It could be former industrial or agricultural land.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 34 points 12 hours ago

So unrestored nature.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, do NOT plant stuff you intend to eat in your yard without testing the soil first, people. The stuff we put on crops and that we dig out of the ground is shockingly toxic and persistent. Sunflowers are a great way to remediate the soil, although you may need multiple years of planting and disposal.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 24 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The root of why Europeans could claim the land in the Americas: it wasn’t developed, thus it wasn’t used, thus it wasn’t owned by anyone else. No matter all the hunter gatherers that were making a living out of the land. No matter even the earth works that could be found indicating use. There were no buildings, thus it was up for grabs.

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Tbf, putting buildings up signalling use didn't suddenly cause conquerors of any geographic to suddenly respect that the land was already in use. See: Roman Imperial Expansionism, Mongol Empire, numerous Chinese dynasties, the Aztecs, the Nazis, the British Empire, the East India Companies, the Zulu, Mali (well Mansa Musa basically destabilized gold wherever he went).

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

cough Israel

[–] AviAdi@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What if it's an empty residential lot fenced in, in a high cost of living city, where property prices keep increasing and these owners rather sit on the land because it will make them more money than developing it?

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Then it's the plot to Yakuza 0.

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Another based reason why I need to play the series??????

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

If you want an entry point, I really enjoyed Like A Dragon. Lets you test out the vibe without needing a lot of background on the actual story of Yakuza.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 12 points 13 hours ago

Some of us pay good money to keep it that way

https://www.openspaceinstitute.org/

[–] rotkehle@feddit.org 13 points 13 hours ago

I find the English term developed pretty weird in that regard. in German we use the word "bebaut" which literally means you slap a building on a patch of land.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Uncivilized land.

It needs civility.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago

I've yet to visit a city more civil than a forest.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 5 points 13 hours ago

Don't tell me to be civil you jerk. /s

It’s unrealised profit.

[–] perishthethought@piefed.social 6 points 13 hours ago
  • temporarily nature
[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 12 hours ago

Where meme?