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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 286 points 2 weeks ago (26 children)

Piracy is media preservation

[–] Patnou@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I plead the fifth on that. But how come no backup on this. I am pretty sure they could got at least 50 people to get 1 tb hard drives so their data wouldn't go this route. And probably more since PBS shaped whole generations of kids and adults into better people.

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

15x8TB drives gives you about 72TB in raidz2, for about £4k in disks, add a server for say £2k

So by not spending £6k they lost everything, they spent $19million on IT in 2025

Someone fucked up

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A tiny PBS office in St Louis has a $19 million/year IT budget? I really doubt that.

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[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 133 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

According to the article, the data is not clearly lost. It's that their provider, OSS, had a subcontract with Iron Mountain to host the data storage. When OSS abruptly went defunct, PBS had no direct legal path to access the data in Iron Mountain, and no assurance Iron Mountain would preserve it. It filed the lawsuit to make sure the data was preserved and affirm a legal basis to recover the data.

So the headline's use of "loses access" is accurate but a little misleading. That said, it is a great argument for reliable data preservation.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

Iron Mountain is aware of the situation so ideally they've flagged it to avoid the bad press of deleting it.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well, yes, but consider that others using the OSS service may not have the resources of PBS to file suit and litigate the issue, and they may well lose their data forever.

[–] urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe 13 points 2 weeks ago

The whole company is sketchy

https://web.archive.org/web/20250318131517/https://www.osstorage.com/cloudPricing

There is nothing open source, their address is the iron mountain denver datacenter address

That page looks like it was directly ripped from https://wasabi.com/pricing, including the "Ball appliance" which appears to be a Wasabi-only product. This reeks of "I know a guy who does storage" and it's just a few open source products bolted to another storage API with upcharging and a corporate website

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

also why you should have local and remote backups both.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 10 points 2 weeks ago

Gotta follow the 3-2-1 rule

[–] db2@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Redundancy would have made this a non issue. Even just local cold storage.

[–] tburkhol@slrpnk.net 51 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

50 TB isn't even that much space, certainly not for a broadcaster. No reason not to have a local copy. 50 PB, I could see a small PBS affiliate not having the resources to manage locally, but you can put 50 TB in consumer-grade NAS.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's less storage than my Plex storage. PBS could and should definitely do better.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

More specifically, this PBS affiliate (Nine PBS St Louis). It wasn’t PBS proper. This only impacted local programming archives. But that’s still a loss for the local community.

PBS likely does much better than this. Heck, a lot of their stuff is backed up in the Library of Congress.

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[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 8 points 2 weeks ago

You can put this on 2 HDDs nowadays. This is pathetic.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

50T isn't even that much data anymore. You're talking about maybe $2k in hard drives.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Refurbished Exos X22 drives with 24GB Capacity cost around 650€ these days, those 2k are the high end even nowadays.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Refurbished

If you're a multi-billion dollar broadcast parent company doing long term storage for a 70-year archive catalog, you can spring for new. Maybe even go Big Fancy and get some RAID drives and tape backups, for extra redundancy.

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[–] bad1080@piefed.social 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

it sucks but they didn't follow the basic 3-2-1 rule of back-ups (3 copies, 2 types of media, 1 off-site)

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That’s smart, My last company did 4-3-2-1. When the servers went down all we had was 4 calling birds 3 French hens and 2 turtle doves.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Someone just tell me that there are backups of most of this properly archived somewhere. Just tell me that, I'm not asking if it's true, I just need someone to say that.

[–] artifex@piefed.zip 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The data is all there, the vendor they were using to manage the storage just went OOB, and they’re not yet being allowed to retrieve it from the vendor’s storage vendor, Iron Mountain:

The lawsuit filed in Denver District Court alleges that the station’s cloud-storage vendor, Open Source Storage, abruptly cut off access to Nine PBS’ data earlier this year without warning. It states OSS, which had a separate relationship with Iron Mountain to provide data storage, went “defunct,” leaving Nine PBS’ archives in a data center operated by Iron Mountain.

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Open Source Storage

Anyone heard of this company before? Their name is impossible to search for!

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Iron Mountain is obviously aware of the situation and probably doesn't want the bad press of deleting it. PBS just needs the court order that makes them hand the data over. Because PBS isn't iron mountains client, they can't hand them the data without a court order.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Likely available on a torrent.

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[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The cloud is just somebody else's computer.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Risk analysis in IT Management nowadays is spectacularly bad.

If you become dependent on a 3rd supplier then their survival as a company is now a risk for you. It doesn't matter how good the reliability you have contracted with them - if they go under whatever penalities in the contract for failing to deliver said reliability will never be paid.

You might even be at risk of them simply chosing to close that division - small company signing a service supply contract with a big company: good luck getting a contract where the parent company (rather than whatever paper company they spun up for that business area) actually has to pay you stiff penalties if they fuck you over.

As soon as mission critical anything is outside your company, a lot of otherwise irrelevant things become operational risks for your company.

This is why you don't put your mission critical anything on an external Cloud supplier.

You know, stuff like the only copy of 70 years of TV history that's actually just 50TB and would've fit a bunch of Hard Disks or Backup tapes.

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is something I kept pointing out to management at my last company, but they were always so hellbent on putting everything in the cloud. Then construction across the street cut some fiber or something going to our building. When I told management that we had no Internet and I was sending everyone home, they lost their shit. I mollified them a bit by pointing out that at least some people would be able to work from home. I then waited until the meeting the next morning to point out that only 1 QA/support person and 1 dev had laptops (because of course management didn't see any reason to spend the extra money for laptops over desktops). It was also nice to be able to make the CEO and VP to drive all the way home and back to get their wireless data pucks they used as their personal Internet connections.
My overwhelming joy at all the petty little ways I was able to rub their bad decisions in their faces was a big part of what made me actually start hunting for a new job rather than just thinking about it.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Data you only have one copy of is data you don't mind losing.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

Or can't afford yo duplicate in this economy

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This looks like this is isolated to KETC’s locally produced shows for Missouri. They appear to be a smaller affiliate and they don’t make a ton of stuff that contributes to national and international broadcasts.

Since they have a smaller audience I imagine it’s going to be harder for KETC to find community-created backups of their stuff.

I also imagine that if Missouri gave more of a shit about public broadcasting, this affiliate would be operating with better funded / more experienced IT staff. These little affiliates really rely on a lot of volunteers and green IT folks who do the work for the experience.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I do volunteer work for nonprofits. Its amazing that normal people think we are swimming in cash.... newsflash, we are not.

The IT budget is nothing so alot of what i do is setup open source stuff to meet needs...think libreoffice erc.

External storage for large backups is not on the table. And no one wants the reaponsibilty of shuffling external backup drives to and from.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ, what happened to P2P? Just have the files in constant circulation through the world's computers. And 50TB, while a lot, isn't beyond the reach of a well-heeled private individual to host on a NAS.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

50TB is not a lot, it's actually a capacity that some homelabers and data hoarders have or surpass.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The first time I heard about cloud storage, I wondered why anyone would store their stuff with a third party, for reasons EXACTLY like this. This is the exact scenario I thought of.

And while we're talking about this specific case, presumably all the other customers of that cloud storage company list all their stuff, too.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Aw, that's sad. I loved Mr. Rogers and Dragon Tales.

Fuck cloud storage.

[–] GutterRat42@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

They are still around. This specific incident happened to a local PBS broadcaster, and it is only the local programming that was lost. Still sad, though

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[–] remon@ani.social 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

50TB seems very little for 70 years worth of data ... I have more than that it it didn't even take me 4.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago

Video files only got big in the last decade or so. Lower resolutions are a lot smaller

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I know Wikimedia is getting deserved shit for what they're doing now, but allowing anyone to download the entire shebang means it's far less likely it will be lost in the future.

If PBS wasn't forced to make money they could have done the same with their content. The only reason they needed to control it was because they needed to sell it.

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