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[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 127 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Top Economist" states the bleeding obvious.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

He forgot the: Because investors are now the only ones with money to spend.

[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 118 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

Ponzi called, he wants his scheme back.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well the jerk store called, and they're running out of you!

[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago

Relax Costanza 😂

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well I slept with your wife!

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[–] tinsuke@lemmy.world 84 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Funny how the "Top Economist" just parroted what Ed Zitron, also quoted on the piece, has been harping on, since... checks notes always.

Edit: Zitron, the name. Not Zitrone, The German word for lemon.

[–] aim4harmony@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Mr. Zitrone 🍋✨☺️😃

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sounds like the name of an Arcimboldo painting

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

When this is all over the world owes Ed Zitron a massive fucking apology.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 78 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah and the biggest issue is covered well here: https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-house-of-ellison-is-on-the-brink

Essentially: the profits are in the infrastructure end (AI companies paying for parts to build the data centres) not the consumer facing end (the actual models - customer paying AI companies). The money is coming from investors buying in to AI in the hope of winning the supposed arms race to be The One True AI. The whole thing depends on the revenues in the consumer facing end going up to show this is a growing market and make people believe they will eventually reach profit. But the revenues in the consumer facing end are fake and being inflated by circular movements of money including companies like Nvidia paying companies like OpenAI to buy product, or OpenAI paying for product in stock. The revenue inflation is very similar to how Enron inflated it's books its revenue appear higher than it really was.

The brutal reality is: there will not be One True AI to Rule Them All. Instead AI is looking increasingly like a commodity - people will just use the cheapest, simplest tool to do the task, rather than play inflated prices for a swiss army knife AI. And people can host those cheap, simple AIs aleady at home, or on servers in the cloud, or companies can also do the same. The whole US bubble is predicated on spending as much money as possible to stake a claim in a future Google, when it's looking more like it'll be like the fast food sector with razor thin margins. Some of these companies may end up profitable but this is going to be a hell of a lot more competitive and less profitable than the valuations assume.

Expect a very nasty correction.

[–] DeepRoots@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I literally cannot wait for the correction

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

It will be interesting, normally you'd expect massive layoffs but companies may be forced to actually re-hire staff due to their over-inflated AI replacement expectations

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago

It's a giant economic bubble in plain view.

[–] redditStinksSuperBad@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's not forget that they're literally stealing from anyone who ever made anything in our entire history.

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[–] webp@mander.xyz 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] aim4harmony@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (58 children)

Either that, or the rich and corps will go all in. The point was always to replace human labor, just depends how far from that they think we are. People still see a report an AI did something stupid and laugh at the idea of it replacing us, but just 5 years ago we wouldn't have believed the things it can do today.

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[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The problem with capitalism is that morons can get filthy rich and make poor decisions.

Example 1: US president.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, look at Zuckerberg, who recently burned billions on his crappy virtual reality project, and is now doing the same with AI.

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[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Miller@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem is two things are happening at once and they are being conflated. Financially a cannibalising house of cards is being built which is a common artifact of modern capitalism. But in the same process a means is being realistically sought, and openly expressed, to replace the human workforce. This second aspect is unique and when written plainly is far more stark than the more common financial greed fuelled idiocy half.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Nah, I'm sure all the most valuable companies and richest people are pouring more money in to developing AI to replace the human workforce out of the goodness of their hearts.

Once most humans are no longer needed in order for them to have all of their needs and wants met and they are directly in control of all production and everything else they definitely plan to share everything equally and turn Earth into a utopia for all of humanity. Sharing and caring is what the rich and powerful do best.

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[–] qaz@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like everyone knows it's a bubble but that people are expecting it to be like the Dot-com bubble where a small amount of companies succeed, hoping that they invest in those companies.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

That's pretty much what is driving the entire AI "boom". It's the Amazon effect.

Amazon, and Netflix to a certain extent as well as a number of other early internet startups, lost money for around 10 years before they started making shit tons. And everybody wants to be on that particular ride. So they are queueing up in every AI line they can find to hedge their bets on one of them being the one that survives and thrives. It doesn't really occur to any of them that all of them could fail. Because "AI is the future". Except there is no plan to monetize any of them. And so far every time one of them introduces a charge, people stop using it.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Why is it that almost all big financial situations in my life are Ponzi schemes?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This has Ponzi elements, but it's closer to a multi-company Enron in its structure. They're manufacturing fake revenues through circular investments. Nvidia invests in AI companies and increases their value while AI companies use that investment to buy Nvidia cards increasing its value so, so they invest more in AI, so they buy more cards....

Enron did this by making fake companies to generate fake revenue. Right now the tech sector is all working together on this scheme, so none of the companies are fake, but the revenue is.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fancy being a top economist and therefore being privy to knowledge that is beyond the capabilities of us mortals. We thought the AI was a profitable business, and it turns out it's a giant scam, who would have thought it?

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[–] antianarchist@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 weeks ago

What a smart economist that is. 2 years after everybody knew how this scheme works, they came to the same conclusion. Amazing. Now the world will for sure change. Thank you.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

'Profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers'

Which profits?

Ah, now I see the actual quote is: "[...] the AI boom's profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers." he means the profits of the shovel sellers, not AI profits.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

CEO, "It will pay off because I'm the visionary."

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The goal isn’t consumer level profits, the goal is to replace workers, this is the first time capitalists are looking farther than quarterly profits. They’re investing in R&D to replace us, not selling a product. We are not part of the plan.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Together they're on the hook for over a trillion dollars in lease payments, so far, that haven't started yet. They're counting on turning a profit before they need to start paying that back. That's why they're shoving it down our throats, they either make this shit work or they go down in flames.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/ai-data-centre-race-builds-1-trillion-lease-burden-big-tech-2026-08-04/

I'm betting they go down in flames, base on the absolute shit-show "AI" has turned out to be. They keep claiming they have fixed it, or they will fix it, and then it shits the bed again in some public, spectacular way.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Looks a little triangle shaped.

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[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago

Investors don’t create profit, they give capital, very different dynamic, I want this bubble to burst so bad

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think AI could have a good tool for specific purposes and also a very lucrative business if only they had not thrown all that money at it.

The extreme investments forced them to roll it out prematurely over a much larger market that it could ever supply in a meaningful way.

They're trying to force a camel through the eye of a needle.

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[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

These public-facing models are not the thing that convinces people with money to play ball.

The plan is not to have the AI eventually reach profitability through payments from the general public, or even by performing massive amounts of physical labor for companies. The plan is to have the smartest being on Earth outsmart every other living thing, in perpetuity.

Yes, this is a ponzi scheme right now. Yes, profits are being funded by investors. But the endgame was never "everyone gives us $20 a month", or even "Amazon pays us to run its robots". Those are ideas fed to the general public to keep them from destroying the data centers in terror.

The plan is for their AI to be able to buy stocks before they go up, patent things before they are needed, and run endgame around everyone's desires, including world leaders and other business men, so they can be controlled like a man controls a dog.

They are trying to make the last thing man need ever make, and that is what the big investors and the CEOs of companies passing around the same bags of money, are doing. As such, this bubble can and will continue until either they birth the sand god or the big money people and world leaders stop being convinced by the private, non public facing models, that the sand god is possible.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

Fortune is part of this bubble. They helped create it by encouraging top management to ride it... And even here they still do "he said" reporting.

[–] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Investment shouldn't count as earnings. You're literally borrowing the money...

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm not sure it matters anymore. It's like they've found a way to make it not matter.

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