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[–] finley@lemmy.zip 106 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (26 children)

It’s not screens that are the problem, per se, but how they are used, and how schools and teachers were rely upon them to do every single little thing rather than using an appropriate methodology which integrates traditional teaching techniques which use technology to assist.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

And they wouldn't have to have the screen do everything if they were paid the appropriate amount given the importance of their station

[–] Kittywifclaws@piefed.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It’s not even the pay. Every child deserves the education to be tailored to them but there aren’t enough people to sit down one on one with every kid. No budget meant no kid ever got one on one unless they had a disability and the school got money for another person. It always came down to not enough bodies. The pay was just insult to injury.

[–] protist@retrofed.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

One on one isn't even necessary, look at the Montessori curriculum, two competent Montessori guides can manage a classroom of 30 kids with each kid working at their own pace (within guardrails, of course). The structure of public education in the US is a problem in addition to chronic underfunding

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

Montessori style education works very well for certain learning types, but often under-supports others and can suffer from poor implementation just like any other educational model. One-on-one is far superior for some students, and that will never not be the case.

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

Screen use should be relegated to a smart board/overhead projector and computer lab. Make kids use real books/pencil & paper and every test score will improve as long as a zero smartphone policy is enforced.

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People naturally want to make things as easy as they can for themselves; if you introduce a tool that can make things better when used in moderation, but worse if overused, it will inevitably be overused so long as that's the easier thing to do. Convenience is one of the biggest factors in making the global population dumber and more complacent, and it's often introduced as a useful tool in moderation.

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[–] PurpleFanatic@quokk.au 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Definitely. While I agree with rolling back some of these tech first policies, I think we need to be focusing on HOW it’s used.

I worry that disabled kids will be caught in the line of fire, too.

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[–] Fishnoodle@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

No. Shit.

Giving every student a distraction to take with them everywhere typically is a bad idea.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If it so much as has a button to change text size I know kids would rather mash that button and watch the screen go crazy than to pay attention to the lesson.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is a problem for adults too, which is why they make dedicated distraction free writing devices and software. It’s not the screens, it’s how they are being used.

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[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This has been a major problem for my kid. They don’t even lock down the iPads they issue so they just do whatever. So when my kid is failing classes because he’s not doing assignments in class and it turns out he’s just on YouTube all day, it’s like why the fuck are they even able to get on that in the first place? Doesn’t matter how tightly I restrict technology at home when his school just says fuck it.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

That's insane! How could any teachers think that's acceptable?

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd guess a mix of don't care and don't know

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Well the teachers can’t lock it down. Most they give the teachers is a way to peak on the kids screens via some app, but the kids have figured out all you gotta do is turn off Bluetooth to get around it.

The school on the other hand, I’ve bitched to them and their IT about it. Like Apple HAS good lockdown policies, and it’s not like they can’t just install Jampf or something of the like to really control it.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably not down to the teachers but to administration. When I was a kid we had computers (PC's or Macs) in some classrooms, but the caveat is that they specifically blocked most websites so if it wasn't on an approved list you couldn't use it. At some point it seems like they gave up trying to stay ahead of kids circumventing the blocks and teachers aren't spending time outside of class playing IT. They already dedicate a lot of unpaid time to grading papers and other extracurricular activities.

I can at least agree that teachers should confiscate or prevent students from using them if they provide more of a distraction than a help.

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Man… coolmathgames.com and all the sites that would pop up to get around the school filters.

I also remember playing RuneScape in the lab, and passing around a flash drive with Halo CE on it.

But not like we had access to it all the damn time. You had to actually go to a computer lab or library for that shit.

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

The issue here is that the technology itself, instruction, and implementation was incredibly poor this century. Schools weren't doing basic things like typing classes for primary school, there was no instruction on how to program or use the operating systems, and kids weren't given PCs; they were given tablets and chrome books which favored internet access based learning platforms over products stored locally on machines.

I grew up during the 1980s, and my primary schools had 1 apple pc in the classroom. We took turns learning typing. We learned how to operate the machines by inserting floppies and typing commands. Things we were given access to were all instructional. I have vivid memories of learning math via computer with a program called number muncher.

Access to the tech was limited and supervised. This is what created an environment that taught me how to use computers as I transitioned to secondary education. This century, all of the implemented controls were related to limiting access to pornography rather than teaching students anything about the actual tech. Now we have a generation of people entering the workforce that don't know how to use PCs just like the boomer demographic.

[–] Thrashin_Victim@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When I first started working on computers in 1994, I thought that by 2010 every kid/teen/adult would be able to repair their computers themselves. How wrong I was. They know how to use computers and tablets but the hardware is a mystery to them.

I worked at a STEM university and was helping a Computer Science student with his laptop. It had a SSD and a platter HD in it for storage. The platter HD was failing and needed replacing. I wrote to the student stating he “needed a new HD”. He had no clue what I meant. He didn’t even know it was possible to replace. He was going to buy a new laptop.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Capital is trying to corral all the tech into “the cloud” so they can control it all and rent it out forever.

They do not want anyone to know anything about hardware.

This most recent hubris with AI is because they think it can be used to create new tech and instruct installers so they no longer need ANY human capacity with knowledge.

Of course that was not and never will be true but isn’t it interesting how the billionaire class will pounce on any opportunity to cement their power without reliance on society hmmm it’s almost like they’re the fucking bad guys

I worked in a school system after 2011 in a county going technology first hard. They had thinkpads initially but the cost was so high for them that chromebooks became much more tantalizing as a budgetary measure. I do agree with you though whole hearted, because of a lack of instruction on computer usage and understanding kids were taught to just click this icon, do the work, be done with out. There was little to no attempt to explain the technology behind what they were doing. As a tech I would try to for the ones that'd listen but for them to really grasp it would require an actual class to do so.

As well kids are being given screens far too young for their developing minds and those screens allow access to short attention span favoring content and slop. If you Googled something you might remember more likely when I was a teen, you didn't have instant access to it. Now y do and I think it's detrimental what can be accessed.

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[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 28 points 3 weeks ago

I'm in tech and a connoisseur of modern stuff, but even I wouldn't want my non existing kids to be screen only. Have an IT class to get them to know how to use those devices, then back to books and paper. A friend struggles like hell keeping her son from spending his whole day on digital devices, if the school pulled that off, he'd be toast.

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

“TEchMoLoGy iS tHe fUTuRe anD wE mUSt PrEpArE tHE stUdEnTs!”

Yeah, no. You can stick to teaching them core curriculum. Speaking on behalf of GenX, we never needed school to tell us how to use technology.

[–] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Flashbacks to being in elementary school in like 2004 and they had to teach us how to use calculators. "Had" is a strong word. They literally spent an entire day of math one day telling us how to use a normal non-graphing calculator. I distinctly remember hearing "don't hold it like a Gameboy, don't use your pencil to press the buttons," and even then thinking how useless of a day that was. They wanted it to still seem so important. Remember, you won't have one of these in your pocket every day.

I think I got reasonable tech training in high school in the early 2000s. I was taught how to use Word and Excel, and made to type up some of my assignments. Years later I'd watch my Gen X boss doing the company books by doing the math on a calculator and then typing the results into an Excel spreadsheet.

That said, I didn't learn to type in keyboarding class, I learned to type hitting on girls on MSN messenger.

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[–] majster@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I preferred pen and paper for note taking, didn't take notes on laptop for CS uni even. But having instruction material in digital form wins imo. Bulky exercise books are not worth it imo. I suspect publishers prefer those for beefy books for other reasons....but I would not be surprised if for lower elementary school exercise books with lots of images and fun exercises have positive impact.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago

same, laptop is too distracting anyways.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Let's also remember that before the screens, we had shitty textbooks, and underpaid teachers and a serious shortage of supplies.

Schools in the United States need more than a review of tech, but a complete overhaul and a budget that doesn't look like Republicans are literally trying to kill the education system.

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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We can blame Google, Microsoft, and Apple for this mess.

[–] BouteilleBrune@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

I agree, the obsurd idea that "screens in class would help students" was just devices being pushed on customers.

And it's not without consequence obviously.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But after these funds dried up, schools have struggled to replace broken or outdated devices, which last on average less than a decade despite Google’s efforts to extend device life spans.

HA

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Even disregarding the google planned obsolescence stuff, they expect to get 10 years out of a computer that is used daily for 3/4 of the year AND being given to teens/kids who are on the go from class to class and then home. It's not a reasonable expectation. Even treating a laptop perfectly, its just too much of a dangerous environment for a piece of tech to reasonably expect it's going to make it to the 10th year.

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[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago

Right?

"What's that Google? When you design things from the ground up with planned obsolescence in mind, it's suddenly hard to UNDO the mess you made of the hardware? Who would have thunk it."

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Toss the chromebooks and let kids mess with the inner workings of the computer. Teach them to make their own backups and have restore drives available.

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[–] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

Wow! Who could've thought of that?! /s

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How is it that it took until 2026, nearly 100 years after the advent of the nuclear bomb, for school administrators to realize that not all technology is inherently good in every application?

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago

It's not the tech, it's capitalism, and the fact the people making decisions are usually oblivious to the dangers of capitalistic tech.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But the tech companies told me that everyone should learn to code in grade school!

Honestly that wouldn't be a bad idea. Even if few people ever code themselves, learning a little logic is good for anyone.

The problem is the tech companies didn't actually deliver on the promise. We didn't hand kids devices that encouraged tinkering and discovery. We handed them locked-down iPads suitable only for content consumption, not knowledge creation.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wonder when they'll admit that AI existing at all makes students much, much worse off?

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Most teachers I've seen already do and are terrified of what they're seeing it do to their students

[–] MrKoyun@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

The teacher I'm seeing are using AI 🫩

[–] manuremy@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Only way I have ever learned, in school, is by writing notes by hand into my own notebooks. Rewriting text book chapters, taking notes from teacher, writing answers down. It takes time, longer than taking notes on a laptop. But writing on laptop just doesn't "stick" the information into my head. Back in high school, I was the last student to still hand-in my essays etc in paper and my teachers were very happy to grade them, one told me it brought her good memories from the times there were less screens and teaching was easier. No wonder..

When I had laptop in glass, it was very easy to play games, watch Netflix or scroll Reddit. I had no self-control, I was not able to force myself to focus in learning. They started using laptops and tablets in glasses when we were 13 and most of us found ways to play games etc on them, bypassed the restrictions. And we shared the knowledge on that. Oh, also I dropped out eventually.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

TL;DR: it’s not the screens or tech’s fault. It’s the overall pressure to lower standards and people that for whatever reason can't work with tech.

After seeing my kids go through school I’d say the chief issues with performance are external. Tech and screens are like any tool, they’re only as good as the user.

Parents and society place less importance on education and critical thinking, in fact they often insult it. Parents teach their kids that they’re not responsible for their failings, it’s the teacher’s or the school’s fault. Parent’s don’t have the knowledge to help with the tech, nor will they police the kid’s use of the tech, either because they dgaf or can’t understand it. Teaching standards keep moving the goalposts to help the least common denominator. Teachers also aren’t allowed to teach in a way, there’s always some “do-gooder” latest study that’s supposed to teach kids better, but it’s bullshit management worried more about studies and metrics than just teaching. Teachers spend more time jumping through hoops than teaching.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Using laptops to replace books and writing is not a tech first approach in the first place. It's just that you replace a book with a computer, that's not tech education. The letters and words are still the same, except now you have a distracting screen in front of a kid on a machine that can do other things to satisfy the impulses of a bored kid. There is nothing wrong with laptops in class just use it to teach the kids to use the tech for things those machines were build for. And not as a book and a teaching assistant substitute. Teach kids how to operate a real OS, teach them basic cyber security and cyber hygiene, let them install a printer and wifi. Anything that is useful for when they will use a PC as adults.

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