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[–] el3ctron@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

he is the one who can really wear the "make America great again" hat

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 22 points 1 month ago (16 children)

I often think what life in this continent would be like had there never been any colonialism. But if Europe still had contact with the native peoples and their nations through trade. How would the people here have evolved?

[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

You might enjoy the book 1491 a lot - it goes over what populations existed before contact, and even explores the period when people would make decisions between whether they would stay a colonial resident or join a native country - and vice versa. Turns out it was very much down to the person.

Of course, it also has the mind-blowing fact that we lost roughly 92% of the population of the Americas to disease - which is how the Europeans walked into the "New World" so easily, but also why they had to start importing slaves from Africa. The author frames it as if we just suddenly lost all of China - and laments the cultural exchange we've lost as a result.

10/10 read, would recommend if you like the topic.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve got a lot of family in the Caribbean and it’s interesting how much of the flora and food culture has also been changed by resettlement.

Where my family is, the tradition cuisine is generally African or Indian influenced and many of the veggies and fruits were brought from these places. Even botanical gardens that are trying to create a wild food forest are doing so with mangoes, papaya, breadfruit, etc which were all Asian imports. When I go there, I’m often left wondering what these islands looked like in centuries past and what the cuisine was.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

like the carribean monk seal that became extinct, the haiwain one is very endangered. i was looking at flora and fauna, so many went extinct when humans came to islands.( like giant and another solenedons which became extinct pretty recently), plus the related nosphentes which has its lineages traced back to the cretaceous.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s really unfortunate how humans seems to make every ecosystem homogenous. Sometimes intentionally killing things, sometimes bringing things that remind them of home (North America’s starlings and mute swans for example). I really try to maintain a garden full of plants native to my area to support local insect life, but it really feels like using a Nerf gun for a fire fight, as when I step off my property it’s invasive things everywhere.

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow!!! Ok I'm definitely reading this.

Thanks so much!

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whatever you do, don't read Guns, Germs and Steel. It's just fucking nonsense.

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Mann's follow-up book 1493 is equally good.

[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably using the same system that they evolved elsewhere. Humans be humans

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Depending on how long they would be isolated.

Central american powers were starting to play with the Empire idea when europeans came along.

They might have had a Genghis Kang sooner or later.

Also contact by trade would have been almost as lethal as the conquest. Remember that most death were because the diseases the europeans brought with them.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You call this evolution. It's humanity devolving. At least natives were free people.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

there would be things like passenger pigeons that wouldnt go extinct, plus rare plants that became extinct due to development in a specific area where it only survived.

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[–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Make America Turtle Island Again

All that damage to those cultures for this goddamn mess of a nightmare.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

America was great until those immigrants arrived.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Makes me think of rewatching Apocalypto.

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