MIT Study VS Facebook posts. Hard choice.
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Everyone who was around during the pandemic knows that facebook is gonna win
What we really should have done is made the Car Talk guys president. If there's one thing I know for sure, it's that those two would never have forced me to listen to what some MIT grad thinks.
Absolute gold! (The hosts of Car Talk were both MIT grads)
The only “everyone” are trolls, paid or otherwise, the ignorant, and right wingnuts parroting the trolls and ignorant.
And there are a shitload of them who all seem to want to show off that opinion.
That does sound like everyone on Facebook
Yeah but I heard this one scientist said one time that EVs actually cause more cancers and make trees grow less leaves
The solar panels on my roof that I use to charge my car suck up all the sun and stop my grass growing
EVs beat me up and killed my dog.
EVs stole my wife and shot my kids.
EVs turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better?
Hey, I did my own research!!!!1!1!!
How do you discover new things or form opinions?
What are opinions?
Yeah, I have only facts, non of those opinions.
Theys easy to find. Opinions make you cry when you cut them.
The batteries do contain rare minerals like lithium but these can be recovered and recycled. EVs can be charged with solar, wind and other renewables even tho many places in the USA still burn coal or natural gas.
Once you burn gasoline in your ICE vehicle then it’s gone, it turns into gasses that go into the atmosphere and can’t easily be recovered into anything of much use.
EVs are the future and we all know it. Gasoline will continue to become more expensive and more difficult to extract.
I’d argue with the level of shit were in with the climate, the no cars lifestyle should be the future.
It might be in a few nations with strong public transit already like Japan and a number or European nations but honestly idk if it will ever happen in the USA at least not in my life time.
OK but that's about as realistic in the next 40+ years as genetically engineered flying pigs.
Incremental progress is good.
Then I guess surviving the climate collapse will be just as realistic.
Speaking as someone who has worked on plenty of gasoline powered cars.... Duh. The most obvious waste product an internal combustion car makes other than the exhaust is the used oil. Have to do something with it. Have to make sure the engine isn't leaking out into the environment when it's running.
Even if you are charging your car from a coal plant, it's more efficient. A coal power plant runs at one speed/output all the time. Gas cars have to throttle up and down. Each gas car has to be maintained by the person owning it, while the power plant has a maintenance team and inspections.
worst part of getting old is watching everyone around you gradually get dumber
Gas cars are better! (says the gas station owner)
Let me ask Facebook how credible this study is...
@Grok, is this legit?
Tap for spoiler
/s
Science back then: after long work we were able to create a vaccine, and we managed to eradicate small pox completely.
Science now: we did a study to prove something on Facebook isn't true.
To be fair the scientists only invented the vaccine, and modern scientists are inventing plenty of vaccines and medical technologies today, including vaccines for infamously difficult to stop diseases like HIV.
Eradicating smallpox was a feat of international cooperation and administration. If we put in the effort in those areas today we could eliminate measles or polio. Or in the near future we could begin the process of eliminating HIV (it would take a long time because it's not a death sentence anymore). Now I'm mad we aren't engaged in a global fight to eliminate HIV the way we did for smallpox.
Strange that the post didn't go into the mining/manufacturing side.
Maybe cause its a separate issue? Look, yes it is costly to extract the resources for a battery, but once we have it, we have it for good. Batteries are incredibly recyclable at this point (90%+ recoverable, conservatively), and a new battery can be almost entirely created using previous batteries.
This is in comparison to fossil fuels, which you get to burn exactly once, after which point you have to go extract more. The environmental costs of extracting oil (not even burning it) are well documented.
Where a ICE car requires ongoing environmental devastation, an electric one does not inherently require it. As more of the materials for batteries enters circulation, there's less need to go extract more, and as grids transition from fossil fuels to renewables the climate impact of charging can be lessened as well.
Of course this isn't to say that an electric car is the climate endgame. More walkable places, better public transit, better regulation of corporate polluters, etc. are the real meat and potatoes. But saying that EVs are just as bad as ICE cars is just not true.
It's what those Facebook actually people fall back on so it isn't a separate issue. It's the issue being addressed.
I'm aware of everything you said, I just find the article of low value for not being able to use as a retort to the people it claims to refute.
I didn't realise anyone still uses facebook. Like in developed countries I mean.
I live in Atlanta and when I turned 21 (a couple years ago, but post 2020) I was kinda irritated because literally everything in the entire city was planned on Facebook Events, and I hated using Facebook.
It's overwhelmingly popular, especially in the 30+ crowd, not even restricted to your 55+. Genuinely everyone would create Facebook events (before Partiful got popular) to invite people over on a Saturday
Edit: spelling
People platform-independently use social media echo chambers to reinforce their own biases and suppress contrary thinking. I think it's an attempt to find comfort zones and avoid self-questioning, which is inherently uncomfortable and involves effort.
Is lemmy the same kind of comfortable echo chamber?
yes
A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.
We kinda solved cars 15 years ago as an ICE car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one. I'm waiting for my 2008 toyota to retire but it just keeps on going to the point where I think it'll last me 10 more years. I don't drive much but it takes e20 as fuel (heavily dilutated gasoline) and with CVT gearbox it's super cheap to maintain so I really don't feel like me upgrading to an EV would make any difference other than promote EV infrastructure.
My next car will definitely be an EV though primary because I expect battery tech to be much better by then.
A second hand EV is better than a second hand gas car though, so... What's your point? What's with this entirely outdated talking point at all? There are EVs old enough to vote.
Sadly the second hand ev market doesn't exist everywhere.
Yeah I guess India where they're still working on adopting anything that isn't either a moped or 2 ton diesel, but pretty much everywhere else you can get a second hand EV. Even in the rural US.
Source? Cause the world is bigger than USA and India. You are just an ignorant biggot.
Sure, Chinese EVs have been popular in Africa, South America, Russia, and South East Asia for the last five years, which covers 75% of humanity.
The Racist Anglosphere and the underdeveloped slave capital of the world India are the ones far behind the curve, but Europe seems to be coming to their senses so that really just leaves India and the other developing country of the US.
Everywhere there's a strong primary sales market, there's a strong secondary sales market.
Also it's not bigoted to point out India's massive internal failing to develop even close to the same pace as China despite having a twenty year head start and much more western investment. The country in taking after its western masters decided against communism (for the most part) and has obviously suffered greatly for it. But hey, they get to be the underpaid call center workers of the western world, hurting western countries and bringing in so much... oh... oh no... what happened to all the money.
last 5 years
5 years enough to develop a second hand market? I double dare you to go on any 2nd hand market website of these countries and prove it to me. Lmao what an utter bafoon you are.
I don't think I understand the argument against EV's for their electricity source very well. Isn't the electricity for the car being generated anyways? It'd be like saying your television is polluting worse than an ICE car or your hot tub/clothes dryer for a more power hungry example.
It takes some guy gasoline to truck gasoline to the electric pump and the powered gas station to fill your car with gasoline. Like am I missing something or are people arguing just to argue?
Unless this whole article was satire and it whooshed right over me.
The general idea is that the production of the electronics is far more destructive than making an ICE drive system. I am not well read on recent changes, but there was a point where that statement was true, but even then the electronics weren't worse from greenhouse gas standpoint, just from other toxins.
I'm less worried about heavy metals in dumps than I am about Earth becoming too hot for mammalian life. I don't wanna go back to dinosaur times.
It's an elaborate plot, if u were paying any attention you would know that the world is run by a race of reptilians that live inside the core of the flat earth. They desperately want to superheat our planet so they can shed their human disguises and bask naked in the heat of our polluted world.
That's the plot of Inside Job!
That's a great show lol