I'm still looking for a solution after https://keepandroidopen.org/
About 50% of my apps are from F-Droid (the others are specific local apps and especially bank apps, which is difficult ...)
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yeah i need my banking, only thing stopping me from using a non-googled phone. everything else can fuck off
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personally i think Moto G Power is gonna be a beast with GOS
Dual sim slots sd card headphone jack insane battery
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This will apply to 2027 flagship Motorola devices, starting with a regular non-folding device, according to GrapheneOS developers who hinted at it being the successor to the Signature.
Thank goodness it won't just be one foldable. I was worried for a bit.
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I love graphene, but I hope they're planning to also roll out some very strong stock software - or else this will make for a very rough first impression on a large audience of normies and hurt graphene's long run chance of success. The camera, gallery, and app store in particular will not come up to many users' standards.
My impression from the article is that the Motorola phones ship with default Android, but flashing to GrapheneOS is officially supported. So it would only be people who would be flashing GrapheneOS anyway.
Yeah by "switch to" they probably do mean flash. I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones but maybe that's a later phase.
I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones
They do. They say it in their roadmap:
Hardware and firmware security are core parts of the project, but it's currently limited to research and submitting suggestions and bug reports upstream. In the long term, the project will need to move into the hardware space.
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I guess aosp needs more open source love what with Google treating it like a bastard step child
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I'll believe it when the roms hit xda.
Excited, sure, just hesitant. No buy until it's truth.
They need to support it on the Moto G phones so people can actually afford them.
Yeah the signature phones cost around $1.500 here in my country, my budget is $400 tops, no way I can afford that, my hopes are lost.
iirc, as of right now, its only the expensive processors that meet the security standards GrapheneOS has. Therefore only being available in the future high-end Motorola phones.
Yup its exactly this. And with supply shortages, itll take a while to filter down in price unfortunately.
it would take a while without shortages. with shortages, it will take a long while
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My question is, what support will there be for NFC contactless payment? The convenience of being able to not have to carry a wallet full of cards is one of the biggest things holding me back from fully embracing GrapheneOS.
NFC pay is not ubiquitous enough in my area so I use a phone case that has room for cards. I still need to carry a physical health insurance card and a physical ID as well so my wallet case is not going away. I actually bought a pixel 9 instead of 10 just because my favorite wallet case was available.
I'm considering just getting a Garmin watch that I keep disconnected from my phone to use for NFC pay. Seems like I would be able to set up my cards in Garmin Pay app and then just disconnect it.
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Okay good, they clarified that they won’t ship with it. I’ve seen people saying they will but I never read anything from Graphene or Moto stating that.
Wouldn't it be better if it DID? Wouldn't that get around all the "tamper" detection stuff?
Right now I have Google Play disabled in my owner profile, but it would be nice if apps in secondary profiles could pass the full Play Integrity checks... even though I'm actively trying to transition away from them.
For example Cisco DUO says my device with GrapheneOS installed has been tampered with, and I was hoping that would go away if I could just buy the phone with GrapheneOS installed.
In the long term, yes it would be better if it shipped.
However, if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they'll choose?
Until Graphene's stock experience (i.e stock apps and launcher) mature enough to not look out of place next to google and apple, the average Joe will pick the more polished phone. I hope improving that is a task Motorola will be able to help with, while graphene keeps doing their thing.
Additionally with the app/play store dualopoly, Motorola would be shooting them selves in the foot if they didn't ship with the play store.
Getting an option beside a pixel for Grapheneos is pretty cool and a big step forward. I hope new demand will be high enough to show the decision makers that its an endeavor worth continuing.
It doesn't even need to be in the store, just let me order one online and check off a "GrapheneOS" box, the same way that I can order a Framework laptop with either Windows or Linux.
But I get your point, I can see how someone could get confused when their phone arrived and required some extra tinkering to get Google stuff to work.
Until Graphene's stock experience (i.e stock apps and launcher) mature enough to not look out of place next to google and apple
why, what's the problem with it? that it's not filled with promotional apps?
Additionally with the app/play store dualopoly, Motorola would be shooting them selves in the foot if they didn't ship with the play store.
they could just ask in the setup flow whether to install the play store
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if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they'll choose?
People consider the phone features too. For example Huawei has built a really solid following due to their phones' quality and that following didn't go away when Google started sabotaging their phones. Eventually banking apps started releasing versions for Huawei AppGallery (the Huawei Android app store).
So the Google monopoly can be bent if there's sufficient demand.
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They make a $2,600 smartphone?
I'd bet that about half the price is just the RAM soldered onto the thing
Can confirm recently got a box of 440 unsoldered Micron DDR5 memory ICs at work.
It was $140k. Not DIMMS but the chips soldered to the DIMM.
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Man, I would be all over the is of it was on lower end models so I can run graphene as my sketchy international travel phone. But I don't really want to pay flagship prices for that. And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.
You could still buy a second hand pixel series a.
You could probably find something under 300€ with 5-6 years of updates left if you seek for a pixel 9a.
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