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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

personally i think Moto G Power is gonna be a beast with GOS

Dual sim slots sd card headphone jack insane battery

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 16 points 3 hours ago

I'm still looking for a solution after https://keepandroidopen.org/

About 50% of my apps are from F-Droid (the others are specific local apps and especially bank apps, which is difficult ...)

[–] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 hours ago

I'll believe it when the roms hit xda.

Excited, sure, just hesitant. No buy until it's truth.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.today 3 points 3 hours ago

Signature? So when - In January?

[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago

I wouldn’t mind it coming to an updated ThinkPhone.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 26 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Okay good, they clarified that they won’t ship with it. I’ve seen people saying they will but I never read anything from Graphene or Moto stating that.

[–] OpenPassageways@programming.dev 20 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Wouldn't it be better if it DID? Wouldn't that get around all the "tamper" detection stuff?

Right now I have Google Play disabled in my owner profile, but it would be nice if apps in secondary profiles could pass the full Play Integrity checks... even though I'm actively trying to transition away from them.

For example Cisco DUO says my device with GrapheneOS installed has been tampered with, and I was hoping that would go away if I could just buy the phone with GrapheneOS installed.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

In the long term, yes it would be better if it shipped.

However, if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they'll choose?

Until Graphene's stock experience (i.e stock apps and launcher) mature enough to not look out of place next to google and apple, the average Joe will pick the more polished phone. I hope improving that is a task Motorola will be able to help with, while graphene keeps doing their thing.

Additionally with the app/play store dualopoly, Motorola would be shooting them selves in the foot if they didn't ship with the play store.

Getting an option beside a pixel for Grapheneos is pretty cool and a big step forward. I hope new demand will be high enough to show the decision makers that its an endeavor worth continuing.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago

However, if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they'll choose?

Given the past couple years I'd like to think the fraction to choose graphene would be multiple times what it would have been 5-10 years ago. But not close to a majority.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I believe the play services agreement ~~Motorola~~ Lenovo signs to get the play store on their devices would forbid that.

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It wouldn't go away. It will only go away if Google signs grapheneos images. Grapheneos on all supported devices support the required attestation already. It is just Google pettiness.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Yes sure. I was merely commenting on the misunderstanding surrounding this.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 31 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

whistles

They make a $2,600 smartphone?

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'd bet that about half the price is just the RAM soldered onto the thing

[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's gonna be a premium for the folding feature or some other feature on that particular model


they list two other models that are considerably less expensive and have the same amount of RAM.

[–] Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I think the foldables are all somewhere along those lines. New tech, and double the screen and such adds up.

[–] GMac@feddit.org 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Sign me up for a graphene razr ultra please and thank you. Dont have any issue with self install if it doesnt ship that way

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Honestly? Kinda prefer it.

Hope an updated clicks keyboard comes out for it.

Would be the most interesting usable android phone since the LG V20 IMO

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 64 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

I love graphene, but I hope they're planning to also roll out some very strong stock software - or else this will make for a very rough first impression on a large audience of normies and hurt graphene's long run chance of success. The camera, gallery, and app store in particular will not come up to many users' standards.

[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

My impression from the article is that the Motorola phones ship with default Android, but flashing to GrapheneOS is officially supported. So it would only be people who would be flashing GrapheneOS anyway.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Yeah by "switch to" they probably do mean flash. I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones but maybe that's a later phase.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Would you trust a pre-flashed phone though?

I guess with GOS they have integrity checkers.

[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 9 points 7 hours ago

I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones

They do. They say it in their roadmap:

Hardware and firmware security are core parts of the project, but it's currently limited to research and submitting suggestions and bug reports upstream. In the long term, the project will need to move into the hardware space.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#roadmap

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 hours ago

Motorola should be able to lead them into the right direction for this. Moto controls their own drivers and while i don't know, i don't expect they're using stock android camera, they can probably just provide the camera app to graphene

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 8 hours ago (11 children)

They need to support it on the Moto G phones so people can actually afford them.

[–] pjusk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 hours ago

iirc, as of right now, its only the expensive processors that meet the security standards GrapheneOS has. Therefore only being available in the future high-end Motorola phones.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 8 hours ago

Exactly. Graphene is not for the poors, still. Even used phones that can run it can be pricey.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 24 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Man, I would be all over the is of it was on lower end models so I can run graphene as my sketchy international travel phone. But I don't really want to pay flagship prices for that. And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.

[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 10 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.

Could you please elaborate? I know what digital footprint is, minimizing and compartmentalization techniques, but not primary and curated digital footprint.

[–] Aqivex@fedinsfw.app 8 points 5 hours ago

Functional and hypothetical only example usage of a curated digital footprint, for story purposes:

You keep, use, maintain, and preferably daily drive technology interfacing gizmos in a manner that results in a footprint where the conclusions drawn from it resolve to a "curated" set of... whatever the beholder is looking to ID from the footprint.

Functional example:

You keep and use devices in a manner that is at most "normie+".

You own a Pixel Phone but keep stock android on it and add just enough to it not make you hate your life. You use a couple of normal sub services.

You still show some of your silly, like use an account on a porn website that federates with the world you care to socialize with. You still post how The Man better watch out.

Same as everyone else. The fingerprint looks like what you want it to look like.

So that it remains separate from what could happen/be happening elsewhere inside a Faraday cage with other devices there. How they are configured like, or who they talk to, the networks you utilize and the level of silly you display in your other accounts that have never so much as shared a trace route in passing together.

That's hypothetically separate from the curated digital identity, depending on how careful and good at it your set up was.

So when the friendly folks with the mass surveillance pull up your file, it's composed of what you wanted there to begin with.

It's just another implementation layer of minimizing and compartmentalization, really.

Hypothetically. For a friend.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Having no footprint is as obvious as having a unique one. It's easier to hide in the crowd.

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[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 hours ago

This is great and all, gives more device options for GOS. However, being only flagship, this will put GOS out of reach for alot of people due to the cost of flagship phones and the current economy. Especially if Google starts making future Pixels unable to have GOS flashed onto them.

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