this post was submitted on 24 Aug 2026
995 points (99.3% liked)

Technology

87575 readers
3762 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://kbin.earth/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/3120649

As AI tech companies increasingly buy and destroy books to feed to their AI models, Anna's Archive is calling for volunteers to help preserve them for the public record.

(page 2) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you read the blog post, they don't provide help or guidance for regular bookworms on how to scan. No information about what they expect.

Also, flatbed scanning a whole book takes many hours. It's one page at a time, line up each page, press the book flat and scan, for hundreds of pages.

You'd likely need to buy, or have access to a book scanner. Which is fine, there are cheap models, but who knows if that would work for them? They don't say. It doesn't seem like they're expecting help from you or me.

[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

I was wondering how feasible this is for an average Joe. My assumption was not very, thank you for confirming.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Mediaburn@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I have a feeling this is click bait...

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fucking scanning books without destroying them, the philistines! /s

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is this gif from that tom hanks movie?

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No I know AI companies are doing that, I just don't think they would be making gifs about it.

But there's a Tom Hanks movie that came out a few years ago where in the beginning of the movie he lives in a bunker because the UV index outside is so high the sunlight is basically radioactive, and he's building a robot and he uses a machine to chop the spines off of books to feed them into a scanner to train the robot brain.

That all takes place in the very beginning and then he leaves the bunker with the robot and some shit happens. But that's what I thought this gif was from.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Finch? Yeah it’s the same machine, just with a fun robot hand to make the sacrilege seem less awful, maybe?

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

These AI companies are just being Nazis, books on pyres…again.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] lusterko0@kbin.earth 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I agree about not destroying books, but Anna's archive is ok with providing all of their info to llms

https://web.archive.org/web/20260305153357/https://annas-archive.gd/blog/llms-txt.html

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

Not like it’s their books to begin with. It’s all available as torrents

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Eh, perfect is the enemy of good. I'll take the wins we can get. It's not like having to buy the books is gonna stop the biggest offenders from burning investor money (along with the books).

The defeat of LLMs isn't gonna come on that front. Let the cultists believe that more words will somehow become more than words. Their silicon gods run on power and water. That's where they're most vulnerable.

[–] LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not necessarily trying to stop them burning the books, just stop their ability to monopolise the knowledge, that's their aim, lock the knowledge behind a subscription, Anna's archive will always be available for all, so why pay for their subscription if its available for free.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

I was aiming for the poetic parallel between burning money and destroying books, but also, isn't the difference between destroying the primary source and preventing access to it mostly academic? Either way, as you say, the AI grifters are looking to control that information. Once they do, the original text and knowledge might as well be lost, since we couldn't verify anything without the original to compare to. Whether through deliberate human manipulation or random word soup mutation, they can't ever be trusted to deliver a genuine, faithful reproduction of the contents.

And the conclusion is the same: Better to have it freely available for everyone (including the grifters) than the grifters only.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

They'll come for it at some point.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

I am all up for starving machine learning of new knowledge but I view this as the least friction path. Otherwise, if the machines try to brute force their entry, what harm can kt cause?

[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 27 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Remember, USA and it's AI companies did that.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

texas was supppose to be filled to brim with AI datacenters, until hot wheels so his election chances diminishing, at leas until he wins again,or another R.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Ah the American dream. Be greedy, selfish and only care about yourself.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it"

George Carlin, RIP

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I own some rare books but no book scanner. What should I do?

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Those who want to conduct large-scale scans and upload many titles can reach out to the archive for support, as the archive says that it “can help pay for the scanning fees and other rewards.”

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hmm, it's just a few books but I do think they're pretty rare. Not something I'm willing to send away. I wonder if a library would be willing to help?

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

My local library has some large format scanners. I've considered using them to do my photo albums. I have the individual photos scanned and backed up, but the layout and margin notes are worth preserving also.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If your local library doesn't own a book scanner, any colleges near you may have one. You usually don't have to be a student to walk into the library, and the book scanners I've used don't require a login. YMMV on whether this is how it's set up where you are.

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

I might try this. Im concerned that some of the books may still be under copyright. Not all of my rare books are that old. I collect indie poetry books and comics as well as old religious texts/pamphlets.

Also concerned that some might be literally some of the only remaining copies and I really don't want to risk damaging them.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago

They're destroying everything like locusts

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Any reputable orgs I can donate to for assisting the cause? I just don't feel I have the means otherwise to make a dent in the buying and preservation.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] baconsunday@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With modern phones having a document scan option with our phone cameras, is it possible we can scan and combine into a PDF file?

I am going to test it myself, see how easy it is, and find a way to ensure anyone can follow with low cognitive load, but hopefully it’s as easy as I think to do.

The sad part, is to do so would require a slow tedious task for books with hundreds of pages. It would be nice to see a large group tackle chunks at a time to the point we eventually have groups dedicated to genres and scouring to find them to preserve them.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] jasoman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Anyone know any good book scanners was looking around and not sure what i should get.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Ages ago I had mimicked the "overhead scanner" with a mounted digital camera, but now I'd go with a mounted smartphone + light bars + bluetooth photo trigger. Scrolling through Bezos' was pretty depressing in terms of cost/quality and even a $150 device seemed like a repurposed webcam, with a sole non-free confirmed buyer saying it died after 3 months while freebies praise it lol. As long as you don't scan drawings/designs/comic books - just set lights evenly and that'd be enough, and even moreso if you OCR it and turn a scan into an e-book where visual fidelity stops to matter.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›