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[–] eah@programming.dev 152 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

In other words, corporate leadership is starting from the premise that AI has (or will) radically change the business, and they're working backwards from that premise to find the evidence to support this article of faith.

Sounds familiar. The proof-of-work blockchain scheme which was the fad a while ago is also often described as a solution in search of a problem.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

I feel like block chain as a public ledger has found quite a few purposeful uses, and was a solution to a handful of problems most people rarely if ever encounter. Then fake money got involved

[–] AmyAye@nord.pub 24 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

The core issue feels like the dead torrent problem.

Its distributed, so it needs to be hosted, by several locations. Which becomes probitive over time as.it becomes huge. Its also massively inefficient for what its trying to do.

At some point, its basically just one server farm somewhere hosting a glorified MySWL database that doubles as a space heater for the entire planet every time you need to add a row.

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[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I'm glad you specifically pointed out proof-of-work blockchains.
They're very inefficient (economically and ecologically) by design. In almost all cases this design isn't warranted.
Alas there are other designs and while most of them are rubbish as well, a few ones are doing things quite right.

I hope that just like other schemes than proof-of-work were thought of regarding blockchains, there will be AI models that are way, way more efficient and ideally can be run locally - for those cases that can use AI...

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[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 99 points 2 weeks ago (36 children)

I typed into Google "potatoes pressure cooker" to get a reminder of how long to cook them. The AI told me, and correctly said that I should use the steamer sieve, but also told me to salt the water. The water that would be under the potatoes and that wouldn't touch them.

I asked why, and the AI said that little splashes of salt water from the boiling would land on the surface of the potatoes and salt them gently, that the salt would increase the boiling temperature, and that the vapour would be aromatic.

I pointed out that the amount of salt landing on the surface of the potatoes would be negligible, that the vapour is distilled water in gas form, and that the increase in boiling temperature from salting the water is less than 1°C. The AI said, oh yeah, you're right on all counts. Don't salt the water.

What it has been doing was exactly what an LLM does. It gave me the received wisdom from the internet.

That aligns with what Cory Doctorow was saying here, namely that all the AI successes were from people who already knew what they were doing and could use the AI as a tool. Not from people who had no clue and just let AI do the job.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I use google "ai" in when thrifting for audio gear. Minimum 80% of the time it gets something GLARINGLY wrong. "Oh ho ho! You correctly pointed out that I was completely wrong on all counts! An astute observation! Let me try again but this time give you the CORRECT information."

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 96 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t think they’re all lying; most are just misinformed or using the term differently than Cory.

It’s like saying “global warming is changing everything.” Technically, not true, but the knock on effects of specific aspects of it recently hit an inflection point that causes it to affect the lives of everyone.

This has also happened in the field of artificial intelligence; LLM chatbots are only the visible mushroom fruits of the vast mycelium network that has been silently growing underground for years.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

silently growing underground for years.

And not so silently, for decades. Even J. Edgar Hoover was using early forms of AI to manage his data trove.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 81 points 2 weeks ago (55 children)

What has AI changed so far?

  • Hardware prices are so far up that nobody can buy good hardware anymore
  • we have AI child porn now, awesome
  • we have AI undressing apps, cool
  • we have AI, the great cheat tool now † we have AI, the confidently wrong 20% of the time tool
  • we have AI, the great misinformation tool
  • we are at the brink of the largest economic collapse in human history caused again by the rich loving to play Russian roulette
  • there are a limited amount of actual useful applications as well, yay

And all it cost us were millions of jobs, thousands of psychosis and deaths, hundreds of new loud polluting data centers, untold amounts of co2 when were right smack in the mids of a climate crisis...

I'm not advocating for murdering the AI CEOs, but I'm definitely a fan of at least permanent tarring and feathering

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[–] jmsy@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

In my academic field of sustainability, AI still fails to explain what economic sustainability means. It's very simple.

I lecture and explain to my students that economic sustainability is about how we assess and manage our knowledge, innovations, wealth, and other man-made capital. I stress that it is ABSOLUTELY NOT profit and revenue.

Sure enough, my students submit assignments clearly written by AI that state economic sustainability is profit and revenue.

AI is regurgitating decades of green-washing and even bad academic articles that state economic sustainability is about profits. I use that AI god mode site to test several AI's at once and they've consistently gotten this wrong for 3 years.

[–] ID10T@programming.dev 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The trick that AI pulls is just that it is really good at appearing competent, and we as humans really bad at acknowledging how little we individually know about the world around us.

The easiest example to ask AI detailed questions about something that you know you have expertise in. If you try to test its limit, no matter what your particular expertise is, I’m confident that in 5-10 minutes you’ll realize it’s no more intelligent than an average Joe who spent their lunch break Googling the subject or maybe someone who read a book about it once.

To give credit where it’s due, that does mean that these AIs have a much wider breadth of knowledge than any one person could have and that is, objectively, very cool.

On the other hand, that’s why it’s so easy to believe that AI is this all-knowing oracle that can replace all of humanity. It can give you a way better answer in an instant about things you know nothing about than you ever could off the top of your head, so it seems unbelievable. It’s instant gratification that also feels really valuable.

Despite the trick that AI plays on our psychology, you could also just read a book or two or participate in any form of genuine learning, and it really doesn’t take long for you to outgrow whatever the AI is capable of. It takes a bit longer, but now you have grown your actual intelligence and you get to keep it for a $0/month subscription and they don’t need to build another data center in your backyard.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

AI has been helpful for my job, sure, but the cost in terms of societal damage is so great it makes me wish AI were never created.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago

^ This. This is the actual truth of it. You can always find a 500 person company that does a shit job at forced integration and you can find a 2000 user company that tied all their systems together and moved at paces that made everyone sick with risk. You can find individuals who tried to make copilot write micron code (horrible) and who used claude to write ansible code (~magic)

I love Doctorow, I read most of his stuff, I recently read Reverse Centaur, it had its informed moments. It made some strong points that stand out as to where using AI makes sense. It also has some perspective issues, being written by someone who focused on case studies with the worst possible outcomes. A lot of the same problems in this article.

AI can, in the right circumstances with the right needs, remove many manhours of tedious shitty labor, or it can be used by shitty people to vacantly crap out slop 24x7. It's only as useful as its implementation/workload.

But what never gets better is the societal and ecological impact. The slop pouring into journalism, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and the scams running with perfect English vocabulary. The shitty AF water and electricity usage. The corporate bribery. Those are along for the ride by default.

If AI went away, right this very moment, my job would grind to a snail's pace for months while we once again pivot back to another way improved but not unlike we did prior. We would have a man-century of meetings on how to recreate all the processes affordably. We are doing more now with fewer people, but they're paying more in tokens + labor. This is not to say that any of us would be horribly sad.

This article is based on a case study by one guy on a 500-person company that didn't want to implement AI and did a poor job of implementing it. Yeah, many of us work for some place like that and some of us work for places that got it working. That's the reason for the big divide. It's not always a delusional asshole lying about it working, it's about it working when engineers who have the right workload use it to solve their needs. Still too fucking expensive on all accounts.

AI is not worth the investment. It's not worth the money. It's not worth the damage. But the argument that it doesn't do anything because you see it do jack shit somewhere doesn't hold up to even light scrutiny.

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[–] joe@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

I generally respect this guy's opinion (I probably use the term "enshitification" multiple times a week!), but pretending that "AI" and "Chabot" are interchangeable terms seems wildly reductive, and the subtle presumption that the process of changing is a binary changed/non-changed situation instead of a curve is just ignorant.

If the internet was "turned off" after 4 or so years not much would have changed, either.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 105 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

To the average person (and this includes politicians, basically anyone not a software engineer developing the tools )who Cory generally writes to try and inform, they are the same.

Should they be? No. But that's a whole different thing and trying to change that in the general public mind doesn't change his current point about AI as the public thinks of it right now.

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[–] disorderly@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I think you're making a strawman argument here. He isn't arguing that it's a binary switch that has failed to throw, he's arguing that we don't have compelling evidence that the ends justify the means:

In other words, corporate leadership is starting from the premise that AI has (or will) radically change the business, and they're working backwards from that premise to find the evidence to support this article of faith.

And this is completely true! Supposedly "data informed" organizations are trying to find a yardstick that shows actual, meaningful improvement in business outcomes from AI. In my own organization we have people touting LOC yet again because "big number", but anyone who's ever worked in software can tell you it's an asinine metric to use as a KPI.

It's inherently unscientific to start with the answer and work backwards to a satisfactory question. His point that this push is coming from the least knowledgeable of real processes- and more closely resembles religious fervor than business acumen- seems to at least warrant consideration.

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Corey Doctorow isn't speaking to you, he's speaking to the many, many people who have been fooled by the ai craze.

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[–] AgentSeven@lemmy.zip 41 points 2 weeks ago (60 children)

It has become impossible to tell managers mesmerised by artificial intelligence that the tools are not, in fact, helpful.

This is stupid. The tools are helpful. Overhyped? Sure. But to pretend they are in no way helpful is just wrong.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

Nothing is helpful until you need help. The fact that you think AI is helpful for you don't have to force me to use AI. If you pay me $100k+ per year and you force me to use your tools to do my job why you even hired me ? To force this cult on me or to do the job ?

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[–] Krusty@quokk.au 38 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I was talking about roof sheathing with the latest chat gpt.

It was confident the joists should go above the sheathing.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 34 points 2 weeks ago

You might want a 2nd opinion, did you ask Grok?

[–] sammy_miami@piefed.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

LLMs seem to be pretty bad at home improvement sort of questions in my experience. I suspect they don’t have a team of carpenters they use to RL the models, like they do for software engineers, etc

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[–] Bakkoda@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I see a lot of useless people creating a ton of busy work that just becomes an unbearable workload for the people under them. Working in manufacturing environments which (you aren't gonna believe this) are all horrifically understaffed is bad enough. Now i get to watch good workers get buried under Solvace/Fabriq/etc checklists and Leading2Lean/PerformOEE/etc task lists and spreadsheets and meetings to discuss kpis and metrics.

I need a new line of work

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, right. My boss gave me a bunch of risk assessments to read through and let slip that AI had 'helped' produce them. So I said I'd get AI to summarise them. All this vast computing power and climate damage is being used for bullshit.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

AI is changing everything. Its not a lie, its absolute truth.

The problem is the changes are fuckawful terrible for everyone and everything.

[–] sthxdnn@thelemmy.club 25 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly, I didn't jump on the AI hate train like everyone else did. And I was wrong. I literally only use it to make profile pictures on steam to make a sekiro photo. Other than I literally can live without it.

And at this point all of the damage it is doing to our communities; I am angry at this point that people in positions of power are blatantly ignoring the people they represent who say they don't want this. This is almost as bad as the epstein corruption. Just blatantly lying to our faces and ignoring frustration.

Not just ignoring it but trying to grift to their supporters that these 'contrarians' aren't Americans and flew in. I'm so unbelievably sick of conservative influence in my home country just using lies as a real mantra. Because everyone around me values money over anything else and it seems like they genuinely are dissonant and don't understand this is a bubble waiting to burst unlike anything we have ever seen.

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Work keeps insisting we use it and I keep telling them to fuck off.

I get more done than my colleagues BECAUSE i don't use the not-actually-AI "AI" tool.

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[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

If AI data centers drastically accelerate us towards a point of no return for climate change, then they will in fact have “changed everything”.

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[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 22 points 2 weeks ago

Here's a link to the exact same post on Cory Doctorow's (tracker-free) blog: https://pluralistic.net/2026/08/01/dare-snot/#i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's also notable that MBAs tend to be people who are into the networking versus the work and they will follow the trends wherever they leave because that's what good monkeys do.

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AI is changing everything... Mostly to bad, that's the part they keep.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I can't say AI hasn't changed how I work, it has. Instead of going to Google, vendor docs, or the manpage for whatever code or system I am working on I will ask Claude or Gemini to take a stab at building the initial pass of the code or to look up what some cryptic error code means for me. Or even a better way to write some code that I think can be more concise.

The key I think is I never let it make the final decisions for me. The workflow is always look up information > shows it to me > ask for permission to do the thing > do the thing.

But none of that is "changing everything" in the way executives and the Sam Altman's of the world want to profess. It is just a sometimes more efficient for me way of doing the same thing I was doing before.

A lot of people I have seen that crow about how they are using AI to change their work lives are just doing really fancy Github workflows and actions to automate something they used to still do manually for some reason. They rarely are doing anything that couldn't be done with the time to research and test without AI.

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[–] brianary@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've seen nothing that AI can do that justifies the economic or ecological cost.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

AI would be great if(currently its mixed for me,and whats the best thing you can do ATM ):

  • The Datacenters didnt drain like 3 oceans and half of the power grid(or used solar energy + air cooling only,the only way to solve this is Local LLMs currently or specific AI solutions that isnt ChatGPT or Gemini and so on. )
  • the LLM is not trained on copyrighted data(non-public domain) and not Paying the artists or not ask the original creator to train on their work.(Local LLMS partially solve this,and this requires specific LLMS too.)
  • People did not use AI mindlessly to write Code for you(well i think this requires the user to use their brain)

and so on...
and AI should stay as a "TOOL", not a full replacement for human work like most sane people do.
edit 1:
i forgot to mention AI is a big contributer to the AI crisis.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But it IS changing everything, and not in a good way

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: if all the corporate leaders believe it will change everything and, in a fit of FOMO, force it into every corner of our lives, then everything will be changed. But not so much because of what AI can do, as because of a mass delusion among the LinkedIn types.

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[–] ill13@lemmy.ill13.com 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

GIGO (garbage in, garbage out), likely coined in the late 1950's is just as relevant today.

You need to know how and understand to operate a handsaw to use a bandsaw or a mill. You need to understand variables, loops, strings before writing an "app" (and then you need to understand user models, security models, databases, UI / UX).

You can't "trust" AI / LLMs without first giving it fresh and relevant content -or it will make information up. You need to give it the important information for it to synthesize correctly -and that relevant info needs to be in the current context. You can't just ask a question and expect it to "do the research". You need domain expertise to be able to validate the response.

AI is just a tool to make it easier to use your existing tools.

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What do you mean? Cory figured it out like 20 years ago already, he was reporting on tech bro grift from the beginning

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[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 16 points 2 weeks ago

Cory has been that "crazy" guy warning of all sorts of grift, exploitation, privacy fuckery and security forever like a modern-day Kassandra. Now that we start to see the direction the technology sector is headed more clearly, his warnings finally start to ring true.

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