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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 116 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

I love graphene, but I hope they're planning to also roll out some very strong stock software - or else this will make for a very rough first impression on a large audience of normies and hurt graphene's long run chance of success. The camera, gallery, and app store in particular will not come up to many users' standards.

[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 152 points 4 days ago (7 children)

My impression from the article is that the Motorola phones ship with default Android, but flashing to GrapheneOS is officially supported. So it would only be people who would be flashing GrapheneOS anyway.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Yeah by "switch to" they probably do mean flash. I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones but maybe that's a later phase.

[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 27 points 3 days ago

I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones

They do. They say it in their roadmap:

Hardware and firmware security are core parts of the project, but it's currently limited to research and submitting suggestions and bug reports upstream. In the long term, the project will need to move into the hardware space.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#roadmap

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Would you trust a pre-flashed phone though?

I guess with GOS they have integrity checkers.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago

At least for right now I would trust one that had the backing of the Graphene devs. Them and Signal are probably the two most rock solid trust sources right now. (Of course this must constantly be reevaluated)

[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There are some third party vendors online that ship pre-flashed GrapheneOS phones iirc, but I don't believe there has ever been on with it factory installed.

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 59 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I would never trust a pre flashed Graphene phone. Always flash yourself for security.

[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 days ago

I agree, you should always flash it yourself. Though GrapheneOS does have the Auditor app to attest the integrity of the operating system against another GrapheneOS device. It's always going to be best practice to do it yourself, however.

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