mathemachristian

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is normal and healthy for people to empathize with the animals they eat, to be concerned about whether or not they are living happy lives and to hope they are slaughtered humanely. However, if it is unethical to harm these animals, then it is more unethical to kill them.

Killing animals for food is far worse than making them suffer. Of course, it is admirable that people care so deeply about these animals that they take deliberate steps to reduce their suffering (e.g. by purchasing "free-range" eggs or "suffering free" meat). However, because they choose not to acknowledge the right of those same animals to live out their natural lives, and because slaughtering them is a much greater violation than mistreatment, people who eat 'humane' meat are laboring under an irreconcilable contradiction.

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/humane-meat

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yes! Good on you for noticing the speciesism that racism is built on! If non-human animals have less worth than humans then liking some humans to non-human animals means they have less worth. The issue is at the very start, that

a) non-human animal and human are a meaningful distinction
b) non-humans have inherently less worth than humans

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (8 children)

if we are to raise livestock for consumption they should be treated as the sentient

this is a contradiction in itself.

It is normal and healthy for people to empathize with the animals they eat, to be concerned about whether or not they are living happy lives and to hope they are slaughtered humanely. However, if it is unethical to harm these animals, then it is more unethical to kill them.

Killing animals for food is far worse than making them suffer. Of course, it is admirable that people care so deeply about these animals that they take deliberate steps to reduce their suffering (e.g. by purchasing "free-range" eggs or "suffering free" meat). However, because they choose not to acknowledge the right of those same animals to live out their natural lives, and because slaughtering them is a much greater violation than mistreatment, people who eat 'humane' meat are laboring under an irreconcilable contradiction.

from https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/humane-meat

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not everything is about outreach. Go cry about the mean vegans while stuffing your face with someones child.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

They're right tho 🤷

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls.

An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.

kmarx wagelabor and capital

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