Eheran

So it is only a matter of time before compute is cheap/small enough and AI optimized enough before I would be right? Or we just use larger animals like elephants?

Thank you.

I am not sure you understood what he meant? Do you know about the abhorrent building practices in China? Tofu dreg? That is how some make money. The consequences are about as bad as it gets. As long as the can sweep it under the carpet nothing happens. Huge backlash would be 100'000s or perhaps 10x more protesting or something else they can not easily silence. That is absolutely not good in any way. Like dumping dangerous waste and only getting in trouble when the kid of the Mayor gets sick.

I highly doubt white people are going to pay less here.

Classic

No, that's the whole point! Define it.

Have you never wondered how some animal would completely take over if it was just a bit smarter? Example: A single fox can kill dozens of chicken. Imagine the chicken working together and attacking it, picking out the eyes etc. instead of literally not defending at all.

Or a herd of cow or whatever herd animal that could easily team up and trample/stomp/crush/... a predator but instead they all just run away and the slowest is dead.

That is a very specific and extreme example. Yes, you can not use magic there. At the end of the day, even the exhaust gases themselves emit IR. But you can make sure there is no direct line of sight onto the hot parts

If you train an AI to do it, I am sure it would completely destroy nature. It would find "bugs" like getting on an aircraft to reach new areas, teamwork to destroy any enemy etc.

How can you tell they lack all of these things when people testing it shows these have it? So it appears as if, but you say that is not actually the case. How do you tell?

It is not alive, why do you suspect I think that way?

And again, if those LLM are not intelligent we set an extremely high bar that even some humans will not reach. And it only gets higher.

You and others here act as if this is some clear cut thing, while actually defining it is extremely hard and everything but clear cut.

I find it scary how many people here are blindly against LMMs directly (not the big companies behind them or whatever) with about as much irrational hate as the people they despise, like Trump. They act the same way. Saying LMMs are not intelligent is so absurd I am not sure how to go forward, such a statement is oozing with bias.