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I like electric cars, they're not for me I personally hate modern cars looks, computerisation, screens, and lack of any discernible personality, but the more people who own EVs, the longer I will be able to keep running my ICE car.
I do realise I'm a luddite, but I see vehicles as more than just a tool for travelling from one point to another- which EVs are great for- and more of a symphony of engineering to create something that has a distinct personality, every engine drives slightly differently and I think that is much more engaging than what is possible with EVs. (I do think the fake gear changes in cars like the Ioniq 5n are a bit silly as they're not necessary)
~~I don't know actual numbers but my physics teacher said that he'd worked out that his car which had almost 400,000 miles on it had just about created the same amount of CO2 emissions in its use as it had in its creation but regardless of whether he was correct~~ I think there's something to be said for not constantly replacing cars and keeping existing ones running as long as possible, there's a lot of materials that go into producing a car that are at best environmentally expensive to recycle.
There are couple of problems with EVs:
- they lack any aesthetic (at least vast majority), they look like a toy or a modern appliance, plastic and cheap
- they feel like 'go from A to B', soul-less
- they have a constant uplink to a cloud with telemetry of my every move and every fart with no option to opt-out
- no fucking physical buttons (some of them are just now pulling they head out their asses and reverting the design choice)
- expensive, paying premium price for cheap feel
- we don't really know how (un)reliable they are (there are a lot of new brands and new models)
- infrastructure not ready in a lot of countries, and if you're living in an apartment building without a parking garage or charger nearby you're fucked
Other than that, yeah, they might be superior to an ICE cars.
Ps. I wouldn't be caught dead in Tesla. Fuck Mussk
You know, that 20000-30000 premium over ICEs does buy a lot of gas over lifetime. And I'd rather not rent computers on wheels which depend on random clouds.
that 20000-30000 premium over ICEs
What currency are you using for this comparison? Definitely not USD.
A Tesla Model 3 runs for about $40k. A Camry runs for about $35k. Or if we want to go down market a Nissan Leaf is about $30k and probably comparable to a $25k Sentra.
Similar trim levels of vehicles offered as both EV and gasoline powered show minimal difference. Compare the Ford F-150 Lariat in both the gasoline ($75k) and the EV versions ($79k). Or the new Lexus ES, where the EV ($49k) is actually cheaper than the hybrid ($51k).
And if you go into the used market, EVs are starting to hit that market in real numbers, too. Plenty of options for under $20,000, and a handful of options for under $10,000.
Cars are expensive. EVs generally are close to that already expensive price.
Only inbreds hate EVs.
Normal people simply hate tesla.
FACT CHECK: TRUE ✅
You know what horse can do that no car, electric or not, can do?
You can get on a horse, or horse-drawn carriage, completely wasted drunk out of your mind, or high, or just too tired to drive. Tell horse "home" and he will go to the stable he came from, dragging you with it all the way.
Horses consume no gasoline, no diesel, they just eat literal grass and drink tap water. And their shit is often packaged and sold as fertilizer.
How the fuck in the times of high energy prices, both gas and electricity, people are not just turning back to horses is beyond me. Horses are economically viable and sound, just grab the horses from working type, not sport type. Smarter than AI, calmer than Trump (and more reasonable), grass-to-fertilizer converter, biological motorbike.
Have you ever been near someone who just came out of a stable?
Like my wife? Or my neighbour?
Yeah, that explains it. :) I keep pigs, so I hate horses' smell.
Fair enough. When I moved into the city I had an urge to block exhausts of every car around.
Bring back the days of perpetual stank!
Like our cities, full of cars and trash, do not stink already.
Haven't spent much time around large animals huh. You should try shoveling some shit.
And this means, horses also create jobs!
Electric cars are great, but I'll be dead before you catch me in one made by any major corp. I'd rather build my own than buy their crap.