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As Musk’s SpaceX, Bezos’ Blue Origin, and other companies expand into space, they risk causing more problems for Earth in the process: air pollution, climate effects, and light pollution. The practice of downplaying these negative consequences while trumpeting the message that space operations can make life better on Earth has a new name: “starwashing,” a term the space researcher Melissa E. Yingling helped popularize in an article published in The Conversation earlier this month.

It’s a play on the term “greenwashing,” used to critique companies that highlight small sustainable investments to divert attention from the pollution their businesses cause. Space companies are appealing to a sense of “cosmic wonder” and making promises to benefit humankind, along with promoting their environmental bona fides, Yingling wrote.

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[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

trumpeting the message that space operations can make life better on Earth

Is anybody here who's life has been made better by Musk?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

No because the guy is a narcissistic serial liar, always has been. Everything he claims is a lie and it annoys the fuck out of me that so many people don't see that

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I would argue everybody has benefited from the electric car revolution.

Air quality is better with more EVs. Before Tesla, EVs we're actively being suppressed by big oil companies, auto companies were being discouraged and disincentivised to make them.

But that's a different company from SpaceX, if the question is how has SpaceX made life better? It's probably a lot harder to find positives there. But there are some things that were definitely good. If not for the crew dragon we wouldn't have had a way to continue supplying the ISS, we almost certainly would have had to deorbit it years ago if the falcon 9 never flew (And in fact there were official plans to do exactly that).

Certainly some people have broadband through starlink in places where it was never an option before. I remember when I first went from dialup to cable Internet, it made my life better.

I'm not saying musk is a good guy, just that his companies have had a lot of effects, some of them positive.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Musk has built some EVs.

Musk has also built many data centers.

Many more than he needs, by the way, because that's the current business model of the xAI branch in SpaceX: to build data centers for rent.

I recently read somewhere that the total new pollution caused by data centers (more specifically, by the generation of the electricity they require) is now already significantly higher than the total pollution that has been avoided by all EVs.

So SpaceX has absolutely made the life of everybody worse who lives in such a country where these data centers are (mostly Usa, I assume).

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I recently read somewhere that the total new pollution caused by data centers (more specifically, by the generation of the electricity they require) is now already significantly higher than the total pollution that has been avoided by all EVs.

Well I'd love to see that source. I do care about actually understanding the relative carbon footprints of these industries. You can't make informed decisions without being informed, so that matters to me.

But that said, the EV industry desperately needed a kickstart, and it wasn't happening prior to Tesla. You can actually attribute that move to electric to Tesla, as other car companies felt they needed to compete with them or be left behind.

On the other hand, you can't attribute all AI data centers to Elon musk, he's not responsible for AI in general. It only really makes sense to blame them for the percentage of carbon emissions generated by xAI. I'm having trouble finding any source to pinpoint what percentage that might be, but it's very likely that xAI makes up for less than 10% of the global AI data center power consumption, probably much less.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Australia and NZ have country wide coverage for SMS via starlink.

Australia is a huge landmass , and being able to send/receive messages just by having a view of the sky is quite significant for emergency situations.

Here is a map showing phone coverage in Australia from all providers. There's about 5 million square kilometres with no service at all, that now has basic communications via starlink.

Mobile phone coverage in Australia

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you there? Has it made your life better?

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Australia makes up 1.7% of the English speaking world, so you can assume it directly affects that percentage of Lemmy users (when posting in English).

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I see that my question wasn't clear enough to some, not quite many, readers. When I ask "are you" then I haven't asked about assuming, I haven't asked about statistics. If you aren't such a person, I haven't asked about you.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Ah, rather than meaningful data, you want anecdotal data points.

I understand now.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think without him and tesla (especially the supercharger network), the EV market would be significantly behind where it is now. Granted that isn't anything to do with space, just answering your question as written.

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And I do really, really, hate to give it to him, but starlink is genuinely impressive.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The biggest problem with Starlink is that most people who have it should really have access to fiber. Starlink just really exposes the shortcomings of our terribly handled infrastructure. Of course satellite internet servers other purposes too but it really annoys me how otherwise fairly developed places have so shitty internet that they need freaking satellite to get a more reliable connection. It would be far cheaper for everyone to just massively expand fiber like everywhere in the European Union for example.

Of course there are also the SpaceX launch sites that devastate communities and environments in ways that are absolutely unacceptable but I digress.

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The population density of the majority of the European Union is multiple orders of magnitude higher than it is in most of the places that Starlink is especially popular, like Australia.

The cost per customer of installing fiber in those places is extraordinarily high.

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Oh absolutely, I completely agree that it shouldn't be needed, but until alternatives are built, it serves a purpose.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He has inarguably been a net benefit to the world. However that net benefit is decreasing rapidly every second his head remains attached to his shoulders.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He has inarguably been a net benefit to the world.

Never heard such bs.

One person who has grabbed that much money for himself alone is obviously a giant net loss to everybody else!

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 13 hours ago

There’s more to life than money.