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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 6 days ago

Like one hasn't existed for thousands of years??

[–] Unsealed9041@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

No, but it could continue what feudalism did and Capitalism maintained.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think it's a symptom, or a tool of the "upper classes".

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah, it could just as easily be used to distribute small pieces of the remaining work amongst the masses and give everyone very small jobs that pay a lot. It's not the tool, it's how you use it.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Actually effective AI paired with robotics would eliminate the need for a large underclass.

And you might note the glorification of mass slaughter the past few years.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There already is a permanent underclass. Do poor people by and large claw their way out? No.

Yeah, poverty has been a form of control for very long time.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The point is a complete and utter removal of social mobility

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah I just think that was already complete before AI as much as it can

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago

yea, Ai is a permanent barrier.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

It's just widening the gap a bit more. It also widens the gap between the 0.1% and the 1%.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, yes they do. My parents couldn't afford coffee when I was born. My dad was able to buy a $600K home in the early 2000s that's worth double today.

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

That's the reason for the qualifier "by and large." Yes, it is possible, but not equally achievable for all people in poverty be it due to individual circumstance or lack of personal ability. I'm quite happy for your parents and I'm sure they must have worked hard to find success. But the system would not allow for the underclass as a whole to find a way out of poverty at the same time. The only way that can happen is to change the system.

[–] 123@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How much a home is worth is irrelevant as long as you need a place to live. Where is he going to live if he sells it?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

The point is he's doing okay

[–] percent@infosec.pub -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

As a guy who clawed my way out of poverty, I can warn you: People who state those opinions on the Internet almost never want to hear about a success story — even if it could help others. (Not that downvotes even matter though)

[–] eldebryn@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You have it wrong, people don't despire nor are envious of your success.

People are just aware of this kind of "rags to riches (or just middle class)" transition based on hard work is the exception, not the rule. Countless people work as hard as you did, maybe more, and yet will see almost no improvement in their socioeconomic class.

More importantly this "success story" is so often used by capitalism and neoliberal supporters as "evidence" that "system works" and all you need to do is work hard. Which is, frankly put, just propaganda when we can all see that the main statistical factor for becoming rich is just how rich your parents already were.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 1 points 4 days ago

I didn't have a rich family. My parents were poor for my entire childhood, and remained poor until their deaths. All other relatives are poor too (very small family). I'm not rich by any means; just financially comfortable.

Most success stories I've heard from people who brought themselves out of poverty, had no political "odor" to them at all. Having enough spare time to think about politics seems like a bit of a luxury when you're too busy trying to survive while also working towards carefully planned goals. In fact, if such a success story smells political even a little bit, and it's on the Internet, then yeah, it's probably not to be trusted.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

That's not an opinion, it's an anecdote. Even if it were true, it does not contradict the first guy's claim that "by and large" poor people do not leave poverty.

[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Much like the underclass of those of us who cant afford to read the article.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

I got banned from Twitter (good riddance anyway) for saying that data centers are an excuse to take comtrol of computer from the masses

So…yes?

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

capitalism has more social mobility than feudalism

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Lol you don't need AI for that, but it's doing its part right now with the bubble.