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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Here is my problem with this interpretation...

Is data property? Sure, ideas, concepts, photos, etc can be trademarked/copy-write protected and have some degree of ownership, but I'm talking at a much lower level here... Is the particular configuration of memory on your phone a piece of property? If no, then no property was destroyed by wiping the phone. All of the storage and memory is still intact and functional. If yes, then we must look further...is the position (not the switch itself) of a binary switch (like a light switch) a physical thing that you can own? Would you consider it destroyed if it was switched away from it's original position?

I don't think you could charge him with destroying property... Destruction of evidence maybe, but the property is undamaged and functioning normally.

Other arguments. The cop actually destroyed the data. Or, defendant claims he did not know the cops would use the pin to wipe the phone, and that they just wanted to know what the PIN was.

I wouldn't say there is enough evidence here to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this guy destroyed any property in response to a search. He didn't destroy anything, what was destroyed is arguably not property, and he may not be aware that his duress pin was going to be used on the device in the first place.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

None of that would hold up in court.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Bucees just successfully argued in court that a beaver and an alligator are visually indistinguishable to the common man...

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 hours ago

So far, every time I've been outraged about Buckees, they've sued a small business that's trying to file their own trademark. And while I don't like it one bit, trademark law is more or less designed for that exact purpose. Logos don't have to be close, they could just vaguely remind you of another established trademark. The barrier to winning is extremely low, and the fault lies with the shitty, overly vague trademark law that attempts to make trademark owners fight any possible contender.

I don't know if these guys were or were not trying to file a trademark, but I do know the three I looked at so far were begridgingly acceptable by trademark standards.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 hours ago

The video I provided covers this. There are plenty of statutes and precedents. There's a tiny little bit of unsettled case law to be decided here that will, at best, lower his sentence a bit.

I strongly suspect an imminent plea bargain, unless they want to use him as an example.