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[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 20 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

It's difficult to take people shitting on arch in here seriously. I'll take 1h per year fixing whatever broke over a whole weekend upgrading Debian.

Oh and god forbid you need to compile yourself a package and maybe a few of its dependencies from scratch because that 6 years old bug didn't make it through the freeze last release.

[–] jama211@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

As someone who gave up on linux years ago, this sounds like one person driving a broken old alfa romeo shitting on someone else driving a broken old fiat. Whilst I watch on from a modern EV.

Hah, here come the downvotes.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Whole weekend upgrading debian? I am confused. That's not how debian works?

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Debian isn't the only alternative to Arch. There are rolling-release distros where being a guinea pig is opt-in, not forced. Like Gentoo, where brave users test packages before they reach the wider audience

[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It's absolutely true. And that my outdated Arch system is likely still more fresh than Debian.

That said yeah I would like something that can update itself whenever without breaking*, certainly if it expects me to update frequently. And manual interventions (ideally used for things that actually have a choice/fix, not just what ends up being a pasted command or two) should be a warn-step/update-blocker (depending on situation).

Though what the image is probably about (2025-12-20, nVidia 10-series turned legacy, legacy driver put onto AUR) is a bad situation in its own right particularly later when the AUR issues started happening. And it is really an update-or-don't (or get an AMD card somehow) issue.

Other distros likely do solve the issue of updating, though from what I can see aren't as good with packaging (dependency handling, lacking optional dependencies) and package availability. Which can be worked around somewhat too, but still needs more trial/input.

Annoyances are also multiplied for me by having non-fiber internet (also shared).

* TBC I also mean the act of updating itself (outdated keys etc), not just the outcome

[–] vandsjov@feddit.dk 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Debian can take a week to upgrade? Apparently I’m yolo’ing it and just the upgrade. However I have just done one major update, so u might just be lucky

[–] anewfox@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

i have often found myself needing to manually update packages on distros like fedora or debian because i need a newer version that hasn't landed in dnf/apt yet. arch doesn't have that problem. ymmv, obviously, it's not going to be an issue for everyone.

[–] vandsjov@feddit.dk 1 points 1 hour ago

I probably don’t mess around my system too much and don’t install too many things outside Debian repositories to make issues with the upgrades.