I don't even eat meat and I disagree completely with that lol.
care to give a reason why? Why do you think hurting animals is bad?
mathemachristian
joined 1 year ago
I don't think the tears are genuine. It's just crybullying.
"I think people who 'deserve' my favorite insults ought to man up"
nothing unmanly about crying. I'd rather say that the people that get their feelings hurt by this should "own up" to the hurt they cause.
Right, I'm explicitly talking about "as far as is practicable and possible". For instance I have to take a certain medication in order to function but there is no vegan derivative, they all contain gelatin. It is impossible for me to "exclude all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals". But I do it "as far as is possible" which (at least initially) went far beyond what I considered comfortable.
And that's the distinction I'm trying to make, if you are sure it is impossible, if it is not practicable (as in, not possible to be put into practice no matter how you twist or turn it), then sure it is what it is. what can you do. No ethical consumption under capitalism. But if you still have holdouts because you aren't "ready" to give up certain treats or comforts then you aren't (yet?) vegan.
Not being able to reach perfection is no excuse to not get as close as possible to it.
I expected something more dramatic lol
It could be made vegan. As someone who has to take nonvegan medication this and all the animal testing is a real issue.
for once in your life make an argument and don't just throw out claims.
Ah lol hard to tell within this cacophony of carnist tears sorry
No clue what that is
you're response to "not everything is about outreach" is again belittling outreach 😄 do you understand that sometimes people (this includes vegans) just want to vent?
"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
From thevegansociety.com, emphasis mine. I'd argue strongly and vehemently that what is described above is not "as far as is possible and practicable" at all! It's firmly within "as long as it doesn't really inconvenience me" territory
crybullying is when someone bullies others but then when called out cries and plays the victim. What I'm talking about is "bullying" the animals (i. e. horrifically mistreating and murdering them), then crying about being called mean names by the vegans for being part of the literal orphan killing machine.
but not other animals? Being an ally to allies is not really thing. For instance I don't care how much someone defends cis people that call out transphobia, they should be calling out the transphobia and defend trans people.
Same for non-human animals. That's something that doesn't seem to click with a lot of carnists, it's not about them. It's not about the vegans. It's about the non-human animals. A vegan is not someone who acts in a beneficial way for other animals, veganism is characterised by not doing something evil. Being vegan is simply not killing or enslaving, that's not a virtuous act that is simply not doing something bad. That's why the original commenter is calling all carnists chuds, not because they're so virtuous but because the others are just that evil.