Jason2357

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[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If they were archiving digital versions so they could be read by thousands in the future, this would be a totally different conversation.

They don't even need to be as selfless as the internet archive - just follow Googles lead and allow people to search and view selections the archive, with automatic opening of the archive when you are confident copyright is expired. Even a closed archive owned by a third party with a dead mans switch to open it in the future when the business model is done would be something.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When destroying books, we don't actually know what will be important in the future. That's why archivists spend so much time archiving mineutia without trying to curate. Those are different jobs and you can't curate for the future.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Yes... If they were archiving their scans. Which isn't happening.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that books often become culturally important decades after their print run, sometimes when the copyright is ambiguous.

And also keep in mind there are technically, an insane number of "rare" books out there, but important rare books might only be important to people without the money to pay for another printing.

I could almost forgive this prrocess if they were /also/ archiving these books (leven if limited ike Google books does), but they won't, because they are so focussed on staying ahead of compeditors based on the "knowledge" in their training data.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

That is not required by law. It is just easier to cut the bindings off. The other way is slow: https://archive.org/details/eliza-digitizing-book_202107

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The Internet Archive absolutely does not destroy books. They scan them the hard way with the binding still intact.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Easier to scan if you cut the binding off, and it costs money to re-bind a book you purchased for 10 cents as part of a lot.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)

They are buying up used books at rates that push up the cost of used books. That is enough to piss off people legitimately.

We also are fully aware they are not careful. Yes, they will occasionally shred the last few examples of a book that might have otherwise become useful in the future, and there's no indication that they are archivists. They will eventually destroy or loose this training data and the book contents will be gone to future generations.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

You have failed to understand the difference between idealism and practice. There are more companies that use Linux without ever contributing back than those that do. Those that do do so because it makes practical business sense to improve the upstream project they rely on. Any company that has decided they don't want to share some code just builds it in a binary module, firmware, or application to sit on top.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe the Canadian police, but the Canadian court did not. They convicted him with zero corroborating evidence and without carefully comparing the chat logs with his actual account.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Another way to phrase that is that companies can choose to meaningulfully contribute back, or not, with either project, and there are plenty of examples of each combination.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

let’s not pretend that they’re benefiting from companies using their work.

Of course they are. Sony, Netflix and the like are major contributors to the project.

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