I might be out of the loop on how email works, but doesn’t it hop between several other email servers on its way from Alice to Bob (and at least some of it must still be unencrypted)? If so and given google’s scale you could probably just assume that even if they’re not your inbox they’re going to be at least handling many if not most emails along the way.
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If you control the DNS and the mail server, you get to decide where it goes. However, if any senders or recipients are on gmail, Google basically has all of those emails' content.
That was the theory, nowadays moest email goes from google or microsoft to google or microsoft. At least 99% of the rest goes directly from the senders provider to the recipients provider. Afaik none of the larger providers still accept non-TLS connections.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. Even if you’re not using one of the big providers there’s a good chance they’re going to be at least handing it on its way to your self-hosted inbox, and its contents are unencrypted while they’re handling it (unless you encrypt the contents yourself). So there’s not much benefit to self hosting email if your goal is to keep your data out of big tech’s hands (and if that is your goal, don’t send anything important with email)
Running your own email server is also a good way to get a ton of headaches from your isp
I put dog shit in my ass and Google knew five minutes before it happened, filmed it, and sold it back to me as a custom highlight of my home alone shenanigans. I find this a bit egregious, personally.
Probably bad place to ask but.
Self hosting email is complicated only for sending mails or for receiving mail it's also hard?
Depending on what you want to do you might not need to actually send any mail.
Also, the anti-spam rules do also apply if you are answering a mail, I suppose it does as a response envelopement doesn't have any evidence that it's an actual response. But I have no experience self hosting email.
Self hosting receiving mail is honestly, pretty straightforward, all things considered. Setup your MX record to point at a server you control, configure software to save messages however you want. Perhaps the most complicated step is wiring up certbot or similar software to get your SSL certificate for your mailserver. A Debian Linux system, apt-get install postfix; apt-get install dovecot will get you nearly 90% of the way there.
Depending on your preference. there are docker containers that can do 100% of the process too, with all sorts of nice bells and whistles. If you don't care about sending email, you can skip DKIM/SPF/DMARC. (though, if you are never sending from your domain, check here: https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/dns-records/protect-domains-without-email/ -- there are some entries you can add to DNS to make sure everyone else knows)
I've started mine and it works fine. All the Google shit goes straight to the bin though.
IP rep?
Ngl, I can't blame most for flocking to Gmail. It's a lot more of a pain in the rear to self-host something like that, and it's just plain convenient.
It's the same reason a lot of the people leaving Gmail go to essentially the Privacy Google (Proton) as the replacement.
My email service provider just marks everything as spam. So they’re not alone, you say?
Irritating how much spam comes from Gmail/microsoft.
Do you send enough email to classify for Google to allow you to contest your status as spam? Because there is a minimum.
Google can still automatically mark your message as spam if enough people mark it as such or you trigger spam identification too often (this can happen if you send frequent test emails with not much in them) - it's not neccesarily an attack on you. But plenty of spammers will send perfectly well verified emails today, so you are just caught in the crossfire.
Try sending a gmail account you still have access to a couple of genuine looking mails (eg. At least a paragraph of legible text and with a signature), then marking the messages as not spam. That worked for me. Even after that though, one line messages can still trigger the spam detection.