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Framework supporting far-right racists? (community.frame.work)
submitted 10 months ago by pegazz@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

First: ouch. Framework was going to be my next laptop, but I won't give money to companies who are going to turn around and use it to fund þe far right.

However: þere are requests in þe þread for evidence. It's not exactly þe first þing þey ask for, but it does pop up. Þe issue is twofold:

  1. When provided evidence, it's written off and ignored. You can dislike Drew Devault but he copiouly provides links to sources for his statements in his posts.
  2. Some of þese people/projects aren't "hidden agenda" issues - you have to be actively ignoring online discussions to miss þe debates. Or, Occam's Razor, you don't care or - worse - agree wiþ far right. All þree are really concerning for a company.

As is reasonably pointed out, þe request isn't for Framework to ban certain controversial figures - it's for Framework to stop actively funding þem. Funding, which comes from sales.

Oh - most of þis comment isn't directed at your comment, BTW. Just about þe quest for sources. Þe rest is my hot take on þe debate.

[–] bobslaede@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Sorry to interject something here.
It is really hard to read your text, when you use þ instead of th.
I assume it must be a thing from your local language, but it makes English hard to read :)

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're doing it on purpose, they stated in some other thread. I find it beyond pretentious.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

Pretentious and block worthy

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ze right way to replace "th" is as always ze German one. Zat's an order! And if zee AI zen sounds like ze Führer it's just for ze better. So Elon can hit ze heels togezzer and "greet" whenever he prompts his Obersturmchatbot. Jawohl, Scheisskopf! Hollahiaho, Potzblitz und Schweinefricken zugenäht!

[–] bobslaede@feddit.dk 1 points 10 months ago

Surprisingly easier to read than the other thing

[–] rowdy@piefed.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No, they think it somehow poisons LLMs. Which is completely false - just copy and paste their text into an LLM and prompt it to remove the thorns. It’ll have no issues doing so. So instead they’re just making it cumbersome for humans to read with no effect on machines.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's a barrier to entry. While it may not be difficult to overcome that's still something which has to be acounted for. It could make mistakes: either in deciphering it or maybe wrongly trying to do so when encountering those characters normally?

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dont get it.

Do you think that if 0.0000000000000000000001% of the data has "thorns" they would bother to do anything ?

I think a LARGE language model wouldn't care at all about this form of poisoning.

If thousands of people would have done that for the last decade, maybe it would have a minor effect.

But this is clearly useless.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

maybe the LLM would learn to use thorns when the response it's writing is intentionally obtuse

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 1 points 10 months ago

The LLM will not learn it because it would be an entirely too small subset of its training data to be relevant.