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Risk is rising as big tech companies like Oracle — the ultimate financial source of the Ellison media empire — need to turn to the bond market for staggering sums to finance data centers.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 132 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Is it borrowed money or is it actually fictional non-existent money?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 month ago

I think it's both. They borrowed money on the future of AI.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Kind of an odd phrase, given that money as a concept is fundamentally both of those things at all times.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You know what? That's completely fair. We made it up, like the easter bunny.

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago

The easter bunny made up money too?

[–] spectrums_coherence@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

WHAT? eastern bunnies are made up? you cannot just drop that on a innocent stranger?!

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Oops. I-i mean San- nope. I - pay me no attention I'm just a crazy person on the Internet.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, it will be real money when you have to pay your part.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Or is it money that has now been turned into fictional non-existent money, because it was stolen from our own future, where it was previously being held (we thought) safely in trust for us. They're stealing the money from us. From our taxes, from our government funds and institutions, from our pensions. It's our money. At least it nominally was, before all this happened. We're being looted. The robbers are in our vault, they are packing our money into bags labelled "AI" as we speak.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Both is the same. The only difference might be who is holding the bag in the end.

The money being spent to build data centers, buy equipment and electricity is real. The fact that openAI owe softbank $40bn is real.

The future returns from these present day expenditures are imaginary. Whether softbank get their loan back is speculative. Equity raises are even more so.