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[–] promitheas@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago (19 children)

You just need to keep an eye on the news and it won't happen 99% of the time. Ive got it set up so news updates go to my email in a specific folder. That means i get the notification on my phone as well. Or just get into the habit of checking the page before updating

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (18 children)

I don't need more shit to remember to do. I need a computer that works without me micromanaging it

[–] promitheas@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago (17 children)

Thats fine, then arch just isnt for you. Use what you want, but if someone installs arch then complains that it broke because they didnt check the news (something that the maintainers recommend you do) then the blame/fault shifts to the user, not the system.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

then the blame/fault shifts to the user, not the system

Nah, lol. Not when lots of other systems manage to not break userspace on random updates.

You can claim that blame shifts to the user, but I'm still blaming the shitty system.

In a good system, you can trust that updates are well-vetted already before they're pushed to average users, and you don't need to check the news or anything else before updating. You can even set updates to be automatic with a high degree of confidence that it won't mess anything up for you. (Imagine that, the computer automatically updating itself, saving you the trouble of doing it manually... What a thought!)

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Literally every distro ever even Debian. Has broken user space on updates. It just happens. It's a fact of life. If your distro hasnt done it to you at least once you are either very new to Linux or you are lying though your teeth.

[–] promitheas@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Youre right for most systems that are advertised as stable. Arch however is rolling release, so this doesnt apply. You get package updates as soon as theyre available pretty much. So no, the fault lies with the user when it comes to arch 99% of the time

Edit: i also said the blame shifts to the user if they don't do something the maintainers specifically say you should do before every update. If you check the arch news, update, and it breaks then yes, the fault is with the maintainer. However this rarely happens nowadays. Ive been on arch for almost 6 years and have not had to do a reinstall ever.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"Good" means different things in different contexts. Here you mean it as something like "user friendly". Of course, there are other priorities that someone else could call "good". It's not a helpful word for honest debate, but it's very convenient for hiding a bunch of semantic puns and confused reasoning behind.

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