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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not a question of concern, it's a question of what's technically possible.

It's technically possible to ship a motherboard with spyware capabilities in the BIOS.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are experts, even stupid fat american ones, who could confirm the existence of such spyware capabilities.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, well, when was the last time common people and business paid attention to IT Security experts BEFORE their systems were broken into?!

Also, who would pay the people with the necessary expertise to decompile all BIOS of all motherboard shipments (if at all possible, in this day and age when a lot of shit is encrypted with the keys inside a TPM module)?

I mean, just go at it another way - notice how thousands of pager sent to Lebanon were altered by the Israelis and nobody were aware of it until the Israelis made them explode.

In this day and age it's pretty straightforward to just alter the software for some shipments and not others or add a weakness (like both Intel and AMD CPUs have) that can be used as a backdoor by software that's installed remotely (for example, pushed as a Windows update, something which certain American 3 letter agencies can most certainly do since the have the power to demand the signing keys from MS).

There are huge numbers of vectors for spyware to end up in certain computers that start with subtly backdooring the hardware itself.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

when was the last time common people and business paid attention to IT Security experts BEFORE their systems were broken into?!

You/America can be worried about spyware from China. So the US makes an inspection department, like it has for food and drugs, that certifies there is no spyware. That is a completely different approach than fabricating spyware hysteria, and then forcing everyone to believe it.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think that at least when it comes to America it's more than widely proven that they have an insanely large digital spying infrastructure (not just the 4-eyes stuff but also all that the NSA does, a lot of which having been revealed by Snowden) and even very openly laws such as the Patriot Act and the Cloud Act that let them force American companies to spy for them.

No "hysteria" necessary to conclude that America will do whatever it takes to spy on everybody (both internally and internationally).

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I agree the US spies. It is easy on a full general compute stack, ie. PCs/phones. Routers is harder, but NSA experts could probably find suspicious chips on hardware, and if those experts were part of a government for Americans, they could find violations installed at NSA's requests too.