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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 34 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

That's why I advocate for fines and penalties scaled to income and net worth, both personal and corporate. If you're poor you should still be able to eat after paying a speeding ticket, but if you're a billionaire you should be knocked down a couple of million for the same offense.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

There should still be a minimum though otherwise people with 0 met worth or income can just doo whatever and not have any consequences.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

They also have no capacity to pay whatever fine you might levy. This is not really a problem you can get around. It's tautological. People with nothing to lose have nothing to lose.

The social contract flows both ways. If you've been left behind, you don't owe jack to society.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

We patch that loophole by making sure no one has 0 net worth and everyone has their needs met

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

But that leads to a surveillance state that is obsessed with how much everyone is "worth" at all times. That's bullshit. I say we just take body capacity. You gotta wear a cast for a week. A month. You lose a finger. You lose your eyes. Those are things we all value equally (if you will excuse the ableism and assume it can be compensated for).

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago

But if rich people can't get away with everything (except for a light slap on the wrist) then people won't be motivated to innovate and improve

Like trumps desire to rape children motivated him to bankrupt three casinos and become president

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 18 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

a country in europe (maybe finland?) does this. I remember a dude getting a multi-thousand euro(?) fine.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 112 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's real once you get up to oligarch level.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In that case the fee would be around three-fiddy and not $85 or almost 50%.
Just have a look at the most recent slap on Meta's wrist for knowingly ruining countless lives of children and teenagers.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 260 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At scale, you just described the financial industry.

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[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

but seriously though, notpayforfuel challenge sounds dope. That could lead to the zero carz society.

[–] Tottakai@europe.pub 1 points 2 hours ago

It would lead to the thing, where you have to pay before any fuel comes out of the shlang.

And also, the fine you get doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay for stolen fuel. You pay for a fine and for stolen fuel.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 91 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Surely the fine is in addition to also having to pay for the stolen fuel?

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

It is also made up. In US you must swipe your credit card first before you can start fueling, or pay the attendant cash in advance.

Although I suppose some attendants might make an exception when you leave your driver's license with then, but then you also would be driving away without DL.

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[–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Something that actually works is buying farm diesel.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Until they break out a blacklight or dip your tank

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

How often/likely is that though. I'd imagine plenty do it without ever getting caught

[–] Tottakai@europe.pub 1 points 2 hours ago

Back in the day police and toll often checked diesel cars for farm fuel. But haven’t heard about it for many years. But now with Trumpistan games with Iran the fuel price has gone up, so more people would ve ready to cheat and probably more control will be implemented.

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago

Filter it through Fuller's earth and it strips the dye.

[–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is true, but it is actually possible as opposed to somehow magically dispensing fuel from a pump without paying.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That is something completely possible. Dunno about texas, but in germany the pumps generally let you pump and then you pay afterwards.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I haven't seen a place in the States where you're not required to pay first in a very long time

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