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[–] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 month ago (105 children)

As much as I find chickens, and all avians in general, cute and I find it sickening the way they are treated... I do love eggs, they're tasty, versatile, easy to cook, and unbelievably healthy.

I think the differential we have to identify is one thing, and that is scale.

I am not a vegan, I do not believe it is wrong to consume animals or animal-sourced products, however I do support animal welfare and believe that if we are to raise livestock for consumption they should be treated as the sentient, thinking, feeling creatures that they are and cared for accordingly.

Imagine instead of human and animal rights we just had "sentient rights", for example.

Being able to test for sentience is a topic in and of itself, and out of scope for my argument.

I think there is no harm done in, a hypothetical world where people had the space to do such a thing, raising our own livestock, limited to individual homesteads or the immediate settlement (a local town market, for example).

The line where it becomes unethical is quite obvious really, are the animals treated as living things, or machines to simply fuel and feed to grow them for slaughter and harvest? Yes, in my example of fair treatment the goal may be to raise them for eventual slaughter, but its their lifelong treatment where this applies, not the overall objective.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I think there is no harm done in, a hypothetical world where people had the space to do such a thing, raising our own livestock, limited to individual homesteads or the immediate settlement (a local town market, for example).

That's fundamentally what I'm doing. My girlfriend also loves chickens and ducks so we bought a couple, build a big, nice coop for them (with fucking floor heating because why not lmao), also dug a pond for the ducks and now we have plenty of eggs and my girlfriend can just sit in the chicken enclose when depression kicks and the chickens and ducks take care of that. Best decision we made so far.

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm certainly no expert, but a heated floor in a chicken coop seems like a bad idea.

It seems like it would be a fire hazard in a coop and regardless of that, seems like you would have to keep it much cleaner as it's going to create a breeding ground for germs (and potentially attract critters)

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's certainly no fire hazard. It's heated with hot water. If the water gets hot enough to ignite the coop, I might have a completely different problem because that same water is used in my house lmao.

The cleaning part is also not that true since we don't heat the stable to like 30°C at all times. It's only for winter when temperatures drop massively where we heat the stable to like 15°C. But we clean the coop every two days anyways, I've designed it to be easy to clean. It's fundamentally just a plywood plate that I can take out. Only takes like 15 minutes - remove the hay, remove the floor, pressure wash it, put it back in, add new hay, done. The pipes are directly below the plate, covered in styrofoam, heating it very reliably in winter without being some kind of danger to the coop.

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not sure why my mind went to electric heated floor lol. Must be too used to Jerry-riggers.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 points 1 month ago

I think if I just thought about installing an electric heated floor in anything on my ground, the austrian construction safety office would raid my house. I highly doubt that is legal here.

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