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[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 47 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Because it's proprietary and in 99% of cases actually means "Windows Boot", and isn't very compatible with other OS. Windows is basically in charge of the entire technology and doesn't have a history of being friendly to other OS.

For a while Linux was completely blocked by this setting, which was yet another technical barrier to getting into Linux because you had to fuck around in your scary UEFI settings otherwise your PC would be soft-bricked after installing Linux. Nowadays it's slightly supported by some distributions but Microsoft could of course change it at any time.

Further reading: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The way it should work is that during the OS install the OS can ask to have a cert added to the keystore at which point UEFI pops up a screen that says something like:

An application has requested to add a new certificate to secure boot which will allow new software to run at boot up. This usually happens when installing or updating an OS. If you would like to allow this press and hold <5 randomly selected letters> on the keyboard for 5 seconds. If you don't want to allow this press and hold escape for 3 seconds.

This would at least be a vendor agnostic way of enrolling certificates instead of the MS certificate just always being pre-installed. It should also of course be publicly documented exactly how the process works so everyone can use it.

[–] exu@feditown.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Universal Blue distros do that. For some reason you need to enter a password though.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is the MOK (Machine Owner Key), which is part of the shim bootloader, not UEFI secure boot.

The shim bootloader is signed by Microsoft UEFI secure boot keys, so Microsoft is the root of trust there.

On some systems you can delete all Secure Boot keys, and provision your own, then you don't need the shim bootloader and can sign your own bootloader or Linux kernel directly. Windows would not be able to boot on those systems.

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