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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 87 points 1 month ago (29 children)

Something I’ve been noticing recently is that while the cost per token on specific models hasn’t gone up, the provided interfaces for using those models are starting to chew up significantly larger numbers of tokens for the same tasks that used fewer tokens with older versions of the interface software just a few months ago. Likely the interfaces are applying more expensive guardrail prompts and charging the end user for those tokens — but the end result is that it costs 4x as much to get the same work done.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago (17 children)

"Tokens" are just made up.

These "tokens" that are used to "measure" how much you use, they are not a real dimension that can be measured. Just an artificial counter that goes up when they decide that it should go up.

They can change the "size" of a "token" every day, and every second, and every microsecond....

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“just made up” if you mean arbitrarily defined, sure. It’s not like a “bit” that has an irreducible objective definition.

However it does have a definition in whatever context you’re looking at and is very real, so I can’t really agree with your whole comment.

Yes the definition could be changed to jack up prices, but prices can also just be changed.

Dollars are “just made up” too and have varying value in different contexts to different parties. Are they “not real?” Would we hand wave away the entire financial section of the news and say bah, these “dollars” are fake anyway?

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

However it does have a definition in whatever context you’re looking at and is very real, so I can’t really agree with your whole comment.

So do Chuck-E-Cheese's tokens.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Indeed. Your point?

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