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A touch of AI is all it takes to trigger backlash, as a promising new indie falls afoul of slop skeptics (www.pcgamer.com)

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Vapor World: Over The Mind is a Soulslike Metroidvania with an evocative, painterly art style reminiscent of Lies of P and the narrative platformers of Playdead. According to Korean studio Alive Inc, the game had 100,000 wishlists just before its early access launch on August 19, mostly on the strength of a demo available since January 2025.

But what should have been a triumphant early access launch went pear shaped very quickly. At launch, few talked about the quite distinctive worldbuilding or the parry-heavy combat. Instead, all focus was trained entirely on something absent from the popular demo: very obvious AI use.

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[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

Yes, you are acting unethical. Your self-hosted model is neither open nor was it trained with consent. Using them is just as unethical as using the models from OpenAI.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago (7 children)

CC BY-SA gives freedom of use. Why do you think additional consent would be necessary? Or do you mean that because the restricting conditions are not met, additional consent would be necessary?

Given the form of transformation, Share-Alike is certainly difficult to meet, if not impossible. Is that what you referred to with "is not open"? Or do you mean something else?

[+] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de -6 points 3 days ago (6 children)

A license may allow something but that doesn't make it ethical to do. At the time these licenses where written the wholesale pillaging of the commons by AI companies wasn't a thing. For that reason I don't think it matters what license anything was published under. Unless you where given permission by the author its not OK to train your model on it.

I consider Open Weights models only open in name, the training data is almost never released. As such it is just an attempt at open washing. Its like releasing some executable files and calling that Open Binaries.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I think the license conditions are pretty clear. The main issue is that LLMs can not respect the license conditions.

The content I published under AGPL I want to be used freely under copyleft. Reproduction without AGPL does not meet those conditions. Stuff I published under CC-BY-SA, LLMs can't guarantee either BY attribution nor consistently reproduce SA.

Whether training and consequential abstraction without reproduction is acceptable is a more difficult, subjective, and nuanced question.

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